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1943 LWC Steel - Need Identification Of Error Bumps

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 Posted 02/17/2021  06:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kloccwork419 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good luck on your damaged coins. I hope you send all of them to PCGS. I cant wait . I wish I could block threads and many members
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 Posted 02/17/2021  06:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waynoah83 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just did a quick search and found a couple articles in Coin World from Mike Diamond about occluded gas bubbles. I've never heard of that but the examples he shows look just like yours. They only happen in solid alloy coins too so it seems like this might be the cause. It happens right after a coin is stamped and the heat from being squeezed in the die causes trapped gas in the planchet to expand immediately afterward and if the surface is thick enough will create a bulge that is usually mistaken for a damaged die being the culprit. Look it up and I think you'll agree.
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 Posted 02/17/2021  06:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Update: actually, you may have found the answer. I just did a search for occluded gas bubbles and checked out some images.....mostly on copper pennies. But your right it does look the same. But read furthur this occurs more prominent on soft and alloy metals. Is a Steel Penny considered a soft alloy coin?

Believe it or not....this is starting to point back to the theory early on that these may have been defective blanks as my "expert" pointed out to me.

And I didnt mention his name because he is on coincommunity and could see that these were not plated and did`nt want to be combative about it.

He suggested that these were either bad metal rolls or defective blanks. Maybe when the blanks or planchets were made, a staple was involved....lol
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 Posted 02/17/2021  06:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Good luck on your damaged coins. I hope you send all of them to PCGS. I cant wait . I wish I could block threads and many members


I do not come here to raise anyones blood pressure. I came to learn as I allways do. Isn`t that why we are all here?
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 Posted 02/17/2021  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good day all, I decided to find as many collectors that I could find, that buy from me, and ask them what they thought about the occluded gas bubble theory that Waynaoh83 pointed out.

Out of 7 so far...

All but 2 said they beleive thats what they could be. 1 said theres know way to know. But all of them said they have never seen these types of gas bubbles on Steels. 4 said that the only way this could happen on Steels is if the metal was weak or not pure.

That really leaves me with just two questions left for all to weigh in.

1. Are there any samples of this happening to 1943 Steel Pennies that I have not found in the last 2.5 weeks of searching.

2. If the metal planchets were weak or inpure, could it happen on Steel`s.
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 Posted 02/17/2021  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That Coin Dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1. Not from me

2. No, they were made of pure steel, then plated with zinc.
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 Posted 02/17/2021  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bond632 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do the error coins have a zinc coating on the edges or are they bare steel? Can you post any pictures of the edge?
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 Posted 02/17/2021  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm going to make a suggestion that will be much less costly than sending to any service. Sacrifice one of the coins by seeing if the raised area will come off by scraping with a knife or dental pick. Look to see what is under the surface. I too, believe that something about the process you use left these raised areas on the coins

This was from Petespockets55 and I seconded the idea, but zero reply from you. Why not?

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 Posted 02/17/2021  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Merclover - This was from Petespockets55 and I seconded the idea, but zero reply from you. Why not?


Thank you for the correction. I did responed. A photo is not going to show or prove anything. I offered something better if really needed. Video!
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 Posted 02/17/2021  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Do the error coins have a zinc coating on the edges or are they bare steel? Can you post any pictures of the edge?


They look dull bare steel.

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 Posted 02/17/2021  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And as asked, my Neice just completed these earlier in an attempt to reproduce the bumps. Took her 1.5 hours approx. We could not make the "bumps" appear.

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 Posted 02/18/2021  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well thank you Waynaoh83. I tend to respect all until they take that right away from themselves. Plus I didnt want to get kicked out of here for upsetting a "Pillar".
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 Posted 02/18/2021  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kloccwork419, I say this calmly..... may I suggest that you just let this post go and stop replying to it. We obviously have heard your point. We just don`t agree. Plus calling someone a liar is a weakend position to take.

With that said, if you have ever sent a error coin to PCGS, you would know how much it costs. And because these have been cleaned, I wouldnt get a grade or worth.

Thats why this post is still going. Thats why there is over 1,000 views. Because others are interested. And I myself beleive that these are some form of legitimate errors based on others that I am communicating with that do not prescribe to this Community.

I beleive that there is enough photos posted, that even someone new to Coin Collecting can see, that these are not plated and us cleaning them couldnt possibly have created these bumps.

I would encourage anyone new jumping in to review previous posts so we are not rehashing details. Ty.

This is a puzzle or a welcomed challenge. And I have learned alot more about error coins since starting this endeavor.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  04:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a thought: maybe it is time for Mike to read and comment on this thread?
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 Posted 02/19/2021  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've only read the first and last page of this thread. What you'd need to find is a steel cent with these raised imperfections which has not been monkeyed with (reprocessed or de-plated). In the absence of such specimens, I would have to assume that these imperfections are a form of post-strike damage.
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