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Since we've got Henry VI of ENgland and Charles VII of France already this decade, I'll add the third major player in this phase of the Hundred Years' war, Philip the Good of Burgundy. This Cavalier d'Or was minted in Brussels (Duchy of Brabant / Burgundian Netherlands) between 1434-1437 in Philip's name. Witte 468, Friedberg 27.   Edited by tdziemia
11/05/2021 2:08 pm
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Lovely cavalier d'or @tdziemia! Impressive set of Hungarian denars, @EddieDiz! And nice groschens, @Spence (yes, I did notice the ecu d'or too  )! That half groat looks good, @JonhConduitt - my coin today is by the same king. The Lancaster king Henry VI, who considered himself to be - and had indeed been crowned as - king of France as well, also minted in his possessions in France. Entering the 1430s, with the Anglo-French Hundred Years' War on its tenth decade, the English controlled large parts of northern France, including Paris. France 1432-44 (see Note) , salut d'or, Henry VI, Rouen (leopard before inscription). Gold, 3.49 g, 27.5 mm. Duplessy 443A, Lafaurie 447A,.   Obv: Archangel Gabriel saluting Virgin Mary. Coats of arms of France and England. Inscription: HENRICVS DEI GRAcia FRAnCORVm Z (et) AnGLIE REX (Henry by Grace of God King of the Franks and of England). Rev: Cross with the French fleur-de-lys and the English lion. Inscription: XPC´ VINCIT XPC´ REGNAT XPC´ IMPERAT (Christ conquers, Christ reigns, Christ commands). XPC are the Greek letters Chi-Rho-[lunate] Sigma, a common Christogram of the time. The apostrophe after C further indicates that it is an abbreviation. The salut d'or had a value of 22½ sols. It was the equivalent of a gold florin or a half noble. Note: The salut d'or was minted in Rouen from 1423 until at least 1446. The attribution to 1432-44 is based on the mint master mark of etienne Marcel (the circle with a dot beneath the last letter in the obverse and reverse inscriptions). His first mention in the mint records as responsible for an issue is from 1432 and he retires in 1444. He is mentioned earlier, but he was then probably an aid to his brother Thevenin, who was mint master before him. |
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Awesome gold coins everyone! And awesome non-gold coins as well  Between @EddieDiz and @Spence, we're now down to three missing dates from this decade: 1435, 1432 and 1430. As far as I can tell, the only other pre-1460 date not posted in this thread yet is 1453, though 1452 is only attested on my own somewhat doubtful coin. The next earliest date I know CCF has is 1420, but my evidence there had not been updated since 2017... next week will be interesting. [EDIT: fixed typo.] Edited by january1may
11/05/2021 2:04 pm
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Glad you are keeping tabs on all this @j1m!  In keeping with the golden theme, here is a Goldgulden from the German County and Elector of Palatinate (Pfalz) that is dated 1437 AD. It was issued for Ludwig IV by the Bacharach mint. I have it attributed as Levinson I-39. Another COVID pick-up!   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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More medieval gold!  This Goldgulden doesn't have the date in the inscription but was issued only in 1439 AD. It comes from the German City State of Cologne and is attributed as Friedberg 797 and Noss 362. Unfortunately, it had been mounted at one point. There isn't too much of the mount remaining, but the surfaces definitely look polished, which is a shame. The color on my photos is also horrible--in one it kinda looks plated with silver highlights coming through, but the coin definitely doesn't look like that in hand.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Glad to see SOMEONE was doing their part keeping the economy going during the pandemic Great coins! What was going on with gold in the 1430s? Also, thanks to @j1m for keeping tabs on things. |
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Well since I wasn't traveling, I seem to have spent all my museum entrance fees on coins.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Some really nice coins. That salut d'or is beautiful. I'll lower the quality with some more from Russia. Yuri Dmitriyevich Denga, 1433-1434 Moscow. Silver, 0.69g. St George, Snake below the horse, chin left; letters #1050;-N in fields. Grand Prince Yuri (HPF 500B).Yury Dmitriyevich was twice Grand Prince of Moscow in 1433 and 1434. He probably struck coins both times but they're indistinguishable. However, this coin uses the same obverse die as an issue of Yuri's rival Vasily II, and might have been issued for Yuri's second reign in 1434. Vasily II The Blind Denga, 1435-1445 Moscow. Silver, 0.49g. Prince on throne with sword, left arm raised, K and H in fields, dots around. Grand Prince Vasily, dotted border (HPF 630A).This coin was struck during Vasily's second reign, after Yuri Dmitriyevich's interruption but before Dmitry Shemyaka's. Meanwhile, in the Crimea... Filippo Maria Visconti of Milan/Küchük Muhammad Bilingual Akche, 1435-1447 Kaffa, Crimea. Silver, 15.8mm, 0.90g. Arms of Genoa, with tower and star. Tamga of the Golden Hoard, Islamic legend around Muhammad Khan (MWI 2358). Crimea was conquered by the Mongols in the 1230s. Later that century, traders from the Republic of Genoa purchased the city of Kaffa from Mengu Timur of the Golden Horde. It monopolised trade around the Black Sea (it was one of Europe's biggest slave markets). Edited by JohnConduitt
11/07/2021 09:59 am
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That salut d'or is beautiful. I agree! I really like that last coin ... issued for Crimea by the Republic of Genoa while under control of the Duke of Milan  Gotta love those Renaissance politics! |
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Quote:I really like that last coin ... issued for Crimea by the Republic of Genoa while under control of the Duke of Milan Gotta love those Renaissance politics!  I hope to get one of those Kaffa coins eventually! Also nice to see one of those 15th century St. George issues. In a way I suppose they could have been the precursors to the modern kopek. (Probably not, but I do sometimes wonder whether the rider-with-spear depiction on post-1530s kopeks was a deliberate echo of this design. There might well have been a few of those mid-15th century dengas still in circulation then...) |
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Also nice to see one of those 15th century St. George issues. In a way I suppose they could have been the precursors to the modern kopek.
(Probably not, but I do sometimes wonder whether the rider-with-spear depiction on post-1530s kopeks was a deliberate echo of this design. There might well have been a few of those mid-15th century dengas still in circulation then...) I think you're right. Ivan IV's first denga (where the horseman has a sabre) must be a copy of Vasily III's (1505-1533) and Ivan III's (1462-1505). I'm not sure if they had coins with spears, but Vasily II (1434-1462) has coins with both a sabre and a spear. You would've had people still alive in the 1530s who could remember Vasily II. In England, they brought Britannia back in the 1670s after a 1500 year gap! |
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1430s seem to have expired quicker than the 1440s. 1420s coming soon?  |
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Yep @tdz, that is a great point and I'm glad you spoke up. I've been wicked busy the past week or so and haven't had a chance to add to this thread as much as I had planned. I'll try to step up the pace a little so that we don't lose momentum. A while back I had created a thread about the use of images of ermines on medieval Gros from Brittany http://goccf.com/t/295053) and included this Blanc on the second page. This coin was minted in Morlaix and can be dated to between 1436 and 1442 AD. It is attributed as Roberts 6132.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Nice to see a French "feudal"! I've got nine decades to go before I have one to post with a narrow date range.
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Yes well that is my last strictly French coin from this decade. Here is one that was minted on the European continent, but on behalf of the other side of the channel. This Groat is only datable to a three year range: 1431 to 1433 AD. It was minted in Calais and is attributed as Spink 1875. The pics are a bit washed out, but you can still make out my favorite aspect of this coin: the letter Is are shaped like tiny little castles.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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