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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V3.0)

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Interesting about your two coins for this decade is that both Arras and Ypres bounced back and forth between France and Low Countries in the years since those two coins were struck.

Arras was the main city (and mint) of the County of Artois, which ceased to be "French" in 1384, coming first under Burgundian rule, and then SPanish Netherlands, but returned to France in 1659.
For the record, Stella Artois beer has nothing to do with Artois. It has always been brewed in Leuven, Belgium .

Likewise, Ieper (Ypres in French) is a place that straddles the boundary of Belgian Flanders and French Flanders. As best I can tell, the last regular circulation coins struck there date to around 1300, though there were some siege issues struck during the turbulent times in this part of Europe in the 1580s
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 Posted 05/03/2022  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good context @tdz—I always apprentice having more info. How about Souvigny?

This Denier was minted by the French Priory of Souvigny between 1180 and 1213 AD. The obv legend is SES MAIOLVS and the rev legend is + SILVINIACO. I have attributed it as Roberts 4916 and Duplessy 784.

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How about Souvigny?

Rather far to the south. See my example of the same coin posted a bit upthread
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Rather far to the south.
. Yep exactly!


This French Denier was minted between 1184 and 1187 AD. The obv legend is +EPIS COPVS while the rev legend is + CATVRCENSIS. I have attributed it as Roberts 4664 and Duplessy 1163. This is my last coin to post for this decade.

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Last call for coins minted starting in the decade of the 1180s. Starting tomorrow morning let's drop back to the 1170s. Thx.
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Here is a Follis from Hungary that dates to between 1172 and 1196 AD. The obv lengend is REX BELA REX STS while the rev legend is SANCTA MARIA. I have attributed it as Huszar 72. I'm pretty sure that @eddiediz has one of these too.

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What I do have in this time period are all 1172-96.

Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1172-96,King Bela IV?);Huszar 181,Unger 95,Rethy I-162,CAC Vol. II/20.21.1.1. This is 1 of 2 sigla varieties I have out of 38.


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This is a bracteate that could be from Bela III 1172-96 or Bela IV (1235-70);Huszar 191,Unger 117,Rethy I-271.
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This bracteate could be from the same time periods as the previous one,Huszar 191,Unger 122,Rethy I-271.



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I knew I had this coin, but I had to check that it matched the decade, and then it took me a while to find my previous description.
(Is there a way to search for a specific comment in a long thread? I had to manually check nearly two hundred pages before I found the comment I was looking for.)


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Qarakhanids, Rukn al-Din Muhammad bin Mas'ud
AE (or low billon) broad dirham, type of Samarqand, 566-574 AH (1171-1178/9 AD)
Album 3401 (whatever that means)
supposedly Kochnev 1063 (type of 572 AH)
date probably reads [57]3 AH (1177 AD)
cf. Zeno 46419; also cf. Numista 148197
32 mm, 4.03 grams

This coin was the only 1170s entry in the 2nd edition.
I wonder if anyone else on CCF has any other 1170s coins now...
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Duchy of Aquitaine 1172-85, denier, Richard the Lionheart/Cœur de Lion. Silver, 0.67 g, 19 mm. Duplessy 1033, Elias 4, Roberts 3885.

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Obv: Cross above and ω below the inscription. The ω (omega) is a Christian symbol, the exact meaning of it here is uncertain.*
Inscription: RICARDVS.

Rev: Cross.
Inscription: AGVITANIE.

Richard the Lionheart, from 1189 King Richard I of England, became Duke of Aquitaine in 1172, only 14 years old. His time as duke was a more or less continuous combat for power with his father Henry II of England, his two brothers, and rebellious barons. It is a bit uncertain precisely to which time period his coinage should be attributed. 1172-85 is what Elias suggests.

* The pair Α - ω (Alpha - omega) is an ancient Christian symbol for God as the beginning and the end, i.e., being eternal (from the Book of Revelation), and has been used on coins since Roman times. The meaning of ω in isolation is not as clear. It can mean perfection, fulfilment; in a Christian context the goal of the creation.
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 Posted 05/08/2022  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I wonder if anyone else on CCF has any other 1170s coins now...


Great question. At the moment yours is the only coin that officially can move us back a decade. Let's hang out a bit though to see what else gets posted. I've got a Denar from Cologne that should help too.
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I'm pretty sure that @eddiediz has one of these too.


Maybe not, if he only collects denars?

But I do:
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Still the seller's photos.
WCN has this as Huszar 72 but with a narrower date range, 1172-1182. ?
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Fantastic follises! Can't believe in their age...:)
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Nice one @tdz!

Here is a Denier from the German Archbishopric of Cologne that dates to between 1175 and 1181 AD. The obv legend is HITARCH EPICOPV and the rev legend is SANCTA COLONIA. It is attributed as Haeve 541.

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Here is my last coin to post for the decade of the 1170s. It is a Denier from the French County of Angouleme and was minted between 1170 and 1245 AD. Some of the letterforms are a bit dodgy, but the obv legend is something like +LODOI[vS and the rev legend is +EGOLISSIME. I purchased this coin mainly for those cool sideways letter S's. I have attributed it as Duplessy 947.

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Let's give it another day for folks to post their coins of the 1170s. Unless there are a bunch more posted and we need more time, we can drop back to the 1160s starting Saturday morning.
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