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Ignorant Aussie Has Some Questions About Sheldon Grading System

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Which coin are you talking about?
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The AU53 grade in general.

Have a look at this coin:

https://www.PCGS.com/cert/35869660

My mind automatically equates AU with a high grade but it certainly isn't...
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To me, that coin would be no better than F.
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This coin is currently listed on ebay. The seller wants $350 for it

Continuing to go through my 2 cent coins I found a 1966 no SD in better condition than that one and I gave it a grade of F.
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Let me know if it sells, I'll get my coins ready for ebay. :)
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Judging from my previously posted scale conversion table, an AU53 coin should be a nice EF. I'd agree the example coin looks no better than VF; I certainly couldn't call it EF, not with that much wear and those green spots. It's possible the spots developed after the coin was slabbed, but I'd say that coin was lucky to get that grade and wouldn't get it on an attempted regrade.

We may also be seeing that curious American concept of "market grading" - where rarer coins are judged less harshly than commoner coins of the same type.

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"Uncirculated" should mean that the subject coin has never been in circulation, and thus should exhibit zero wear, despite many other very minor problems it may have, such as tiny nicks and scratches

"Uncirculated" is a common term to all of the grading systems, so that should be a crossover point.
Unfortunately, that doesn't always seem to be so.
It seems that a coin with zero wear, but with very many small nicks and scratches would grade MS-60 or 61 Sheldon, but I have seen such coins return a grade of EF or good EF in the British grading system.
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I am perfectly happy with the postulation that 'Unc' (British), equates to MS-62 (Sheldon)

I have often seen VF-30 Sheldon would even fail to grade Fine in the British system, and I think that is correct.

I have always understood that the term "FDC" (Fleur de Coin) means that the subject coin is absolutely pristine, which should equate to MS-70 Sheldon.

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My attitude to all of this is to grade American and perhaps Canadian coins according to Sheldon, but for other than American or Canadian coins, I always use the British grading system,
because if other than an American or Canadian dealer describes a coin as "VF" for instance, I will trust that the "VF" grade (British) is is going to be at least VF-35 (Sheldon) or perhaps even higher.

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The grading of ancient, hammered of milled coins is a separate skill, and is based on many other different considerations, that do not need to be taken into account with modern machine made coins, and perhaps should be discussed in another thread.
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Quote:
The AU53 grade in general.Have a look at this coin:

https://www.PCGS.com/cert/35869660

My mind automatically equates AU with a high grade but it certainly isn't...


No way this is AU-53. I agree with a VF grade.
Repeat after me: "Buy The Coin, Not The Slab".
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