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 Posted 02/07/2007  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some new purchases over the weekend, imaged with my Canon Rebel XTi:

1821 8 Reales from Zacatecas:
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Close-up of doubling:
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1842 8 Reales from Zacatecas:
Best-Digital-Camera-For-The-Buck-For-Coins

1826 8 Reales from Zacatecas:
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Counterfeit 1836 8 Reales from San Louis Potosi Mint:
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Close-up of multiple strikes:
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1840 8 Soles from Bolivia:
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 Posted 02/09/2007  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey camera guru Super Dave.

I called to order my camera and when talking to the sales rep at an internet camera store today he told me that the Li-Ion batteries in the digital camera were only good for 15 min. Only 15 minutes!!!? Does that sound right or is he just trying just to sell me additional batteries at $150 ea.?

Can any Panasonic owners out there attest to this? 15 min. sure doesn't seem like much time. He also told me that I would need the quick charger since the included battery charger takes over 7 hrs to charge the 15 min battery!
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02/09/2007 5:45 pm
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 Posted 02/09/2007  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SE, I'd say that the sales rep had a head filled with wet cotton. First, see this topic on rechargeable batteries: https://goccf.com/t/9194 .

Unless the Panasonic in which you are interested and he was describing requires specialized, even proprietary batteries, it'll probably work on most types of rechargeable AAs. I use four Duracell 2650 milliamp-hour (mAh) Nickel metal hydride (NiMH) rechargeable AAs in my Canon 2SIS which, with their recharger cost me about $30 at Home Depot. They recharge from camera inoperability to full charge in about 15 minutes, no longer. I cannot state how long they would last in terms of how many pictures they would take before needing recharge if I were shooting pictures continuously. I usually take a bunch of pictures (with and without the flash) - say, 50 to 100 images, then put it away until the next session which might be two or three weeks later. Since NiMH batteries self-discharge, albeit at a slow rate, they may or may not need a recharge the next time I pick up the camera. Almost always, if the batteries are low, I can wait for the recharge.

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 Posted 02/09/2007  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The DMC-FZ50 does, in fact, use a proprietary Li-Ion battery, 7.2v and incompatible with AA battery packs.

SE, that salesman was, um, well, I've got no words for it that work in a family forum. That's why you found such a good price on the camera - they're going to ride you like a pony for accessories, and then the camera will likely be "out of stock" if you refuse. It may even be grey-market, and not covered under warranty in the USA. That camera is $460 at the cheapest US vendor I trust.

This camera is an evolutionary development to a very well-regarded series of camera. Do you suppose they'd release it with a 15-minute battery life? Didn't think so.

Would I be selling pro-level tools to contractors (I work for Home Depot) using Li-Ion batteries if they didn't last? Didn't think so.

The only accessory I'd call mandatory, if you're taking coin pictures, is the AC Adapter. Then you don't have to care about the batteries. I finally got around to charging the battery of mine, two weeks into ownership, but it still hasn't been in the camera yet.

Here's a point for you - the pixel difference between, say, 8MP and 10MP is a grand total of 200 pixels more height (roughly 2400 instead of 2200) of the final image. Cramming all those pixels into a small sensor has its' tradeoffs in terms of pic quality. When shopping for my new camera, I chose to go the previous-generation, 8MP instead of 10MP route - the money saved went a long way towards paying for a really great lens which allows me to maximize that 8MP.

I'm not saying not to buy the FZ50; I'm just suggesting that you make sure that the gain of 10MP is worth the significant price difference from an 8MP camera.
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 Posted 02/09/2007  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Dave. I wanted the earlier version of this camera which was 8 mgp but it has been discontinued and replaced with this one and all I can find are re-furbished ones on the web. Anyway I like some of the new, added features the 10 mgp version offers. I sure figured out fast that the cheapest route isn't the best way to go. I think I will spend the extra money and stick with a dealer I know and feel I can trust, Beach Camera.

This sure has been a learning experience for me.
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 Posted 02/10/2007  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beach Camera is definitely on the short list of "good ones." So is 17th St. Photo (where I bought mine), Adorama, J&R, and believe it or not Newegg is becoming a player in this area. If Newegg has what you want, they're likely going to be as price-competitive as you'll find.
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 Posted 02/11/2007  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frankallen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SE.....Please pay a little extra for your Camera,and buy from a reputable dealer
!!!SuperDave is 100% right about these crooks!! I had a run in with them a few years back and learned a very valuable lesson!!! Good Luck!!

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 Posted 02/13/2007  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is the difference between SD cards and "High Speed" SD cards? There seems to be a large price difference between the two. I imagine the high speed works better in todays demanding cameras but are they really necessary? Are standard SD cards suitable? Thanks.
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 Posted 02/13/2007  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Modern cameras can write to memory cards faster than standard cards can be written to. That shows down continuous shooting bursts, especially in higher-megapixel cameras like we talk about here. It's less relevant if you're doing static coin photography, but definitely invest in the higher-speed card anyways. When you need it and don't have it, you'll wish you did.
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 Posted 02/13/2007  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mila_cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your opinions and/or advice is needed..

Kodak EasyShare Z710
-10x Schneider-Kreuznach Variogon Optical Zoom Lens
-zoom 10x optical, 5x advanced digital zoom, total zoom range 50x

I've seen the camera and it's small, and has lots of other features.
I ordered this because of the 10x optical zoom (thanks to Bobby's advice)
and also has a 30day tryout before sending it back.
Do you think this camera will take good quality coin pics.


Here is the link to the camera in question:
http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuer...locale=en_US

Thanks for your help.
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 Posted 02/13/2007  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not too sure about the macro ability of the Z710 Mila Cent. 4.7 inches is not real close. It may fall short there.
Doesn't look like the lens takes attachments either. Looks like a good camera otherwise.
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 Posted 02/13/2007  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mila_cent, one problem with larger-megapixel sensors in smaller cameras is that too much gets crammed into too little space. According to the more professional opinions of this camera, such is the case with the camera you're asking about. It actually shoots poorer pictures than its' predecessor, the Z650. Small size has its' tradeoffs. I can find no information about how it works in Macro mode. Another consideration is the lack of image stabilization, something which will force you to a tripod at full zoom to shoot in all but the brightest light.

Having said all that, it still seems like a good camera at the price, and if size is important, it might be a good choice.

Now, if you've read this thread, you're aware of the opinion around here of the Canon S2 IS. Would it move you in that direction if I could show you where to buy one for less than $230?

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...19&c=us&l=en
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 Posted 02/13/2007  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a good camera for the price ($192 at Beach Camera). The only cautionary note I might make is that it uses only two AA batteries. These are likely to be used up fairly quickly during a shooting session, even if they are Lithium Ion types. However, having a second set available would take care of that problem if, in fact it becomes a problem.
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 Posted 02/14/2007  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Taking Fred's word for the battery issue without reading your shortcut, I would agree that this will be a huge pain!!! While I don't think those were his exact words, will you always remember to have that spare set lying around or in the front of the carrying case? Probably not. I bought rechargeable just because of this issue and it never fails that both sets are out at once. I also agree that I doubt the batteries will last very long either.

This fact alone would seriously have me looking at an alternative. You may be very studious in the beginning to make sure that there are extras, but this will bite you. But, regardless, do not let my opinion sway your decision. Take some pictures with it and post them, then we can see what the macro function is like. My camera has macro, so now I think it's strictly a lighting issue. doah!!
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 Posted 02/15/2007  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Modern cameras can write to memory cards faster than standard cards can be written to. That shows down continuous shooting bursts, especially in higher-megapixel cameras like we talk about here. It's less relevant if you're doing static coin photography, but definitely invest in the higher-speed card anyways. When you need it and don't have it, you'll wish you did.
Any particular speed I should stick with 60x, 150x, etc. and what brand (s) are best and which should be avoided? I checked ebay and when I saw all the different sizes, prices, speeds and brands I just thought I better find out all I could from experienced photographers before I buy any. Thank you very much for all the help so far.
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