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These are from the SSDC C-20 census report. There is not a crop of the left wing pup but the OP coin is definitely not the C-13. edit to add - There are additional images in the SSDC Trade dollar attribution guide but I think it may be protected. There is a plethora of information and well worth the entry fee for anyone collecting U.S. cartwheels from 1794 up.    Edited by dave700x
06/05/2022 11:06 am
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Agree Dave
Any silver dollar collector should be on there.
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Thanks dave700x. Looks pretty close. One difference I see is that the vertical end strokes in the N in GRAINS seem a lot thicker in this coin than in the one in the C-20 reference coin. The N and S in GRAINS seem placed closer together in this coin than the C-20 example again, so I am thinking that this is not the same reverse die.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
06/05/2022 11:20 am
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The difference may be the blur of the seller's images. Looking forward to better images when in hand.
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Thanks Dave700x for posting, the C20 is a close match.
NS, once you get the example in hand, you may want to check the field area on reverse around AMERICA for cleaning.
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Thanks! This is all very helpful. Can't wait to see it in hand and share better pics for further discussion.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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C-20 looks close, but I don't think the date position or the reverse matches exactly. I'm still not convinced about authenticity, but I could certainly be wrong. I will be interested to see new photos when you get the coin in hand.
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for such a higher end AU or MS coin it looks quite dull. again this can be from the photos as well the blue cast which was already discussed. I'm looking really close at the highest points on this coin and I'm not finding any signs of circulation.
I'm going with MS62 possibly cleaned. as for authenticity, I'm leaving that to the experts on these unless its a glaring fake
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
06/09/2022 11:55 am
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After viewing the latest set of photos, the coin appear genuine with the reverse C-20 die. I am at AU58, but I an not seeing much wear. The only reason that I am sticking to AU58 is that I am not seeing any cartwheel luster. There is upside in getting the coin graded. If you do decide to get it graded, please post the results.
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Based on your new pics, authenticity looks pretty good. I'd say at least AU-58, possibly mint state. Although I still wouldn't take a chance on a raw Trade dollar. What are those tiny lumps on the obverse field next to the wheat? |
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I'll say AU-58 as well looks good though if luster is good she maybe MS- maybe 62 . I would have raw Trade dollars tested on a sigma tester though. Even know this looks legit . Edited by JasonKflo
06/09/2022 2:26 pm
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The new photos lacking contrast, so is tough to give a proper grade, high AU-MS, agree this is struck from a EDS die.
I certainly don't know much about this series, preferred mine to have chop marks because the history involved in it.
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After viewing the latest set of photos, the coin appear genuine with the reverse C-20 die Agree and the obverse has the C-20 die marker as well.  |
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Thanks Dave700x! Am I pointing to the right place in the subject coin? Awesome, I can see the marker clearly with the loupe.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
06/09/2022 4:24 pm
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