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New Member
United States
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I recently obtained what appeared to be a U.S. Mint produced, 1-5/16," No Date Abraham Lincoln Medal, RD. PCGS identifies this product as #409621. The item I have is encapsulated in what appears to be a PCGS slab, but it does not have an industry number, nor a certification number. The hologram appears to be a generation 4.3 (2005), with the New St. Gaudens on color shirting background; but, it has a copyright date of 2009. The Obverse facing label appears to be from the 2009 Lincoln Bi-centennial series. Is this a real medal? Is the slab an authentic PCGS slab? Was this medal encapsulated and distributed as part of a promotional/give-away? Please share your thoughts on this conundrum        |
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 United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My father has that same coin not slabbed still in its original plastic bag it is either copper or bronze don't think it is very old but other than that not much info don't believe it came from u s mint but could be wrong no markings on the bag . Oh by the way it has MD all over it
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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Why don 't you write to PCGS and ask them directly about it ?
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United States
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I cannot find one now, but I have seen this label style on ebay before. This does not prove anything, other than it is not a one-off.  |
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United States
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Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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United States
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Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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New Member
 United States
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The medal appears to be a 2009 1-5/16" bronze medal produced as part of the U.S. mint's 2009 Bicentennial Lincoln celebration. In 2009, along with this medal, there were four newly designed 2009 Lincoln cents and the two Bicentennial, Lincoln silver dollars.
Again, it's curious that there is a circa 2005 hologram (4.3) label on a 2009 produced coin. The 2005-2011 hologram (4.4) is almost identical, but it has a strong diagonal color shift line from the right edge, about mid coin level, to below the NASDAQ:CLCT line
I have seen promotional coins distributed to children at PCGS coin shows, but they always have "SAMPLE" printed on the label.
I know that the medal is not old, nor particularly unique; but, it is handsome !
I have written PCGS and await their reply.
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New Member
United States
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Hi nss-52, The Amazon link you provided is the same medal, except, the Amazon listing is an example of the PGGS 4.4 hologram. Notice the strong color shifting line, about mid coin, going left to right. I'm going to text the seller to be if he/she has any information on the provenance of this medal. Thank for your research. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't understand why they paid the money to have it slabbed and are selling it for 19 dollars dose it not coast more than that to have it slabbed
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Because they made their profit on the dollar coin and the four Lincoln cents, so in effect they have $0 in this item.(the sale of the other coins paid for the sets and all the slabbing fees and possibly some profit)
That is often how bulk submissions work. The few high grade pieces pay for everything, and then the rest of the coins are sold for whatever they will bring (even if it is less than the slabbing fee) and they are pure profit as they in effect have nothing in them.
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07/14/2022 10:26 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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Because they made their profit on the dollar coin and the four Lincoln cents, so in effect they have $0 in this item.(the sale of the other coins paid for the sets and all the slabbing fees and possibly some profit) I see that the coin on Amazon is sold for $ 12.99, and on the website, following the link provided by ns52, it can be seen that somewhere it was selling for as much as $ 104. Where is the logic ? I didn't understand you a bit Conder101. Did I understand correctly that PCGS received this medal, evaluated it at their own expense (no, they just packed it in a box) and sell it on their behalf to everyone for N$ ? But they had to buy it from the US mint, so the medal for PCGS is not free. Please explain. |
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United States
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Total fake: has no one noticed that there's no serial number on the label? Without which, no one (buyer or PCGS) can verify anything? That's the whole point of using a TPG, after all. |
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Forum Dad
United States
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Bulk grading... that's a PCGS label (I've seen it elsewhere) and looks like a genuine slab. I can't imagine anybody would bother faking it for a $10 item.
Once you venture off the path into bulk grading, it's whatever the submitter wants and it willing to pay for. Probably bought 100 or 200 and came in a mint box so BU is a no-brainer grade.
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