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Looking For Just A "Hint" On Identifying This Coin (Id: Abbasid Caliphate Bronze Fals)

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 Posted 08/26/2022  8:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Wstalcup to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi! not fully restored coins yet..but I am already trying to identify it..just asking for some clues.. thanks! :)

is this one Arabic? and what would you say the "shopping cart" really is? :)
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 Posted 08/26/2022  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Loruca to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it wants to be a medieval islamic silver dirham (possibly Spanish mint?) but it should be silver...
I know very little about these issues, and have only seen them catalogued as such, so maybe wait for someone more knowledgeable in this field.
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 Posted 08/26/2022  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree: Islamic silver dirham.

From the appearance of the rough fields, it has to be a recovery from aggressive soil conditions, or a fake.
I have to admit: I don't know which.

For a possible visual match, search Stephen Album' s website.
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 Posted 08/26/2022  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a shopping cart, but rather Kufic script. I agree that the details are too mushy. What does it weigh?
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 Posted 08/29/2022  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wstalcup to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks everyone!
the closest coin I found to it is:
https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/sp...Default.aspx

but mine is worn out.. maybe it was just used a lot!
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The "shopping cart" is the Kalima, the Islamic statement of faith, written in the archaic Kufic script of Arabic. Specifically, the phrase "Allah is alone, he has no partner". Your top picture is upside-down.

If you're wondering how to narrow down the ID further, I will give this general rule-of-thumb. See how some of the Arabic letters have been "streched out" to create a bunch of long parallel lines? This wasn't done on the earliest Islamic coins, struck under the Umayyad Caliphate. These were done later, most commonly under the 'Abbasid Caliphate, after AD 750. So the coin you've linked to is indeed close to what I'd expect the coin to be.

The circle of text surrounding the "shopping cart" is supposed to contain the mint-name and date of issue in the Islamic calendar, written out in full. That may be too far gone to be able to read on this coin.

You also haven't said how big your coin is. The Emirate of Sind struck coins that looked exactly like Abbasid dirhams, only they were like miniature replicas.
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 Posted 08/30/2022  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope you don't mind me cutting to the chase. Your coin is an 'Abbasid bronze fals, struck at al-Rafiqa in Iraq. The date is mushy but almost certainly AH 189 (AD 805), confirmed by the trio of pellets at upper reverse and the word 'adl ("just") below. The 'Abbasid caliph Harun is named in the reverse margin.
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Thanks Kushanshah, I was wondering if it was bronze - it looked too corroded and grainy for silver, but the lighting made the high points look silvery.

Early Islamic bronze coin designs tend to be a lot less standardized than the gold and silver designs. They tended not to circulate too far away from the mint-city of issue, whereas the gold and silver were used as trade coins and circulated widely across the Caliphate, and beyond.
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