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Now Canada Has Its Version Of The CAC Sticker.

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 Posted 11/25/2022  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Levaril to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where to start? Lol.

Ultimately one very central fact that can't be overstated - it is imperative that you get educated on grading coins if you are going to be spending a lot of money acquiring them. If you don't you will waste an awful lot of money you don't need to picking up coins that aren't what you think they are. There are some very expensive lessons ahead of you if you don't. Learn grading. Learn to distinguish between varieties. Learn what things might be done to coins to reduce or artificially increase their value. Read up about Cook and what he did to the very nice coins he picked up.

Obviously you can think what you want about CAC or any other similar service. I personally don't think it's the be all or end all, but I think it can help. It seems like an awful lot of collectors in the US agree because there is a direct correlation between a coin having a CAC sticker and higher values realized in auctions and personal transactions at coin dealers. I doubt CAC is infallible, but they can certainly add an extra pair of eyes or two to the equation and provide a bit more certainty in the grade.

If you are a younger collector who admits they don't grade well and only buys on the internet, why would you be against any of this? In theory you are exactly the audience they are looking for and helping with this service. Knowing that pictures are often misleading and grades can typically be all over the place when you're buying on the internet, what is the downside to having a few more guys look at those coins to confirm the grade? I'm honestly not sure why so much negativity. You sound bitter, for no reason that I can figure out.

Buying raw coins over the internet is an unmitigated disaster. I've tried and it frequently goes quite poorly. Most of what is offered is something that will only get details or comments by TPG's. So then you pretty much have to try to buy graded coins where possible, in an effort to not get ripped off. But how do you know whether or not that an expensive ICCS graded MS66 coin has been cleaned or not, since they frequently ignore cleaning? Or that the PCGS EF-45 1872-H Canadian 50 cent piece actually meets the grade on the slab? (unlikely!) I suppose you could just not care and accept that you will get whatever you get, or you could perhaps think that another set of eyes saying that the grade being represented is accurate is not a terrible idea.

Obviously I'm pretty opinionated about this. If I was in the US I would be quite happy to buy CAC coins online, knowing that I was getting a well graded product. They don't make money if nobody believes that their stickers have value, so you can believe they are pretty careful not to sticker something that doesn't deserve it.

Ironically you mention CAC grading coins, which they are starting to do some time soon, so you will have a chance to see how that plays out. I can't quite imagine myself. :)


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you think that will help the hobby with new collectors? dont think so. as I am a new collector and it certainly does not help me to have to pay a ridiculous premium on a coin that was graded corectly by one of the other companys.


Well if it was correctly graded, then I guess at least you would know that. Believe me, there are lots that aren't correctly graded. The CAC or CNAS premiums aren't that significant. If you're talking about coins worth hundreds or thousands of dollars it's a drop in the bucket. PCGS and NGC premiums are significantly more. ICCS is cheaper but still more unless maybe you're doing a massive bulk sub.

Fortunately you have the ability to never buy a coin with a sticker on it and show them with your wallet what you think. :)

Okay now I'm going to duck out of this thread as I'm supposed to be working right now and I think I've blathered on enough about all this. You all get the idea I'm sure!

Peace.
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 Posted 11/26/2022  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add recollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the awful lot of collectors agree because they can get a premium on their coins and thus make more profit. grading is subjective. what if cac says one thing and PCGS says another? who wins?
actually, I thought I was pretty clear about why new collectors might not want cac and others like it. you are saying cac is another set of eyes, and implying that their graders are actually much better at their job then graders at other companies. true or not, this means that there is a significant, not trivial, upcharge for such coins. this inflates demand for these coins and deflates demand for all others, and I can say that it is artificial demand, because this is a concerted effort by cac, and I'm sure much of it paid for, to be the go-to company for every collector. then good luck getting anything near guide for the coins graded by PCGS, ngc or others. we are talking 30-50% higher premiums, which is ridiculous.
and of course they are starting a grading service now. this is pedictable. they are a business, and their goal is to make profits, no matter how altruistic your acquaintainces in that business claim to be. now think about a new collector who is thinking of buying a coin. he also hopes to someday sell that coin. what about if he already has coins in holders from the 3 or 4 major grading companies? what about if he wants to buy coins now? will they only be cac coins? Will he want to crack out coins from their non-cac holders to have them re-graded by the infallable cac? how much value will his PCGS, ngc and anacs coins lose over time as cac continues their marketing, and then after when the inevitable company that succeeds cac comes along? I think ive made this point already.
and lets go further. tell me what happens if cac checks your coin and determines that the grade is overgraded. they will not sticker it. so coins without cac stickers may eventually get to a point where people start to believe that cac rejected them, even if cac never laid eyes on then, for who would not want to send in their coin to cac to cofirm their grade with the help of their infalible eyes? welcome to a further decrease in value and punishment for not submitting your coins to them.
so yeah, theres a reason why a new collector might not want a cac around since most coins are still cac non-stickered. I'm sure they would prefer that their collections go up, rather than down in value or to watch their coin fetch half what the same coin in the same or even worse condition fetches at auction. thanks
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