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Valued Member
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Got these at an auction. They look kind of proof, but at the same time, both are marked "Tribute To" on the reverse. The Obama coin is also stamped COPY on the front, probably because the sticker makes the tribute part hard to read. The other is stamped COPY on the lower part of the eagle. Liberia? The Ike is for size.38.1mm The others are token size 39mm   Edited by PPorro 01/08/2023 7:55 pm
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The "COPY" is there to comply with the Hobby Protection Act and make them legal to produce, import or market in the U.S.. They closely resemble genuine US coins enough that the addition of "COPY" was deemed necessary. They would have been produced and sold by one of the US-based mass-marketing mint corporations (think govmint.com and similar). They both claim to be "legal tender coins" of Liberia, which is why "Liberia" is there obliquely emblazoned on Lincoln's coat, and in the scroll of the coat of arms on the other coin (the coat of arms on the eagle's breast is Liberian coat of arms, too). Of course, in 2009 Liberia was still mopping up after decades of civil war; during and after the war it had several rival claimants to being "the legitimate government", so would have been difficult for anyone to verify the "legal tender status" of this "coin". Which was, of course, precisely why they picked "Liberia" as their flag of convenience. they may even have been using a coinage-issuing authorization from the previous regime in Liberia, which was no longer in power in 2009. And of course the aforementioned civil war has destroyed the value of the Liberian dollar, which is now worth US$0.006, or just under half of a US cent. Either way, they aren't official legal tender coins issued by the government of Liberia, whatever the coins may claim to be. So you won't find them in the world coin catalogues under "Liberia". Here's another, much more legitimate-looking coin issued by Liberia in 2009 commemorating Lincoln.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 United States
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@ppo, looks like these Liberian collector's rounds are clad with a silver plating, so hopefully you weren't thinking you were stacking silver when you purchased them. I found them listed over on moneta coins. Here is a link: http://www.moneta-coins.com/photopo...at=otqcucaixThey didn't pull any punches in their description of this issue: Quote:By 2009 the fine series of USA Tribute coins 'authorized' by Liberia, has degraded to this joke on the collecting public. The company responsible for this travesty is "National Collector's Mint". The copy for this $20 (price each) is partially presented below. The rest is too ridiculous to repeat here. One other interesting note is that if you go to their site you might see their photo of this 'coin' with the words "COPY" blurred out. See my photo above (tail feathers). So.. it's a copy of what, exactly? There's a chance that it's there to indicate that it's not a solid silver piece and that the original idea was scaled back to a worthless clad silver piece. A portion of the Ad follows: Clad in 71 mg of .999 Fine Silver, the new Lincoln Dollar is sculpted with the portrait of President Lincoln designed in 1909 by Victor David Brenner on the front and a familiar eagle with the Liberia crest on the reverse. Most exciting, each dollar is triple-dated, 1809 for the year of Lincoln's birth, 1909 for his 100th birthday and first appearance on a U.S. coin, and 2009 for his 200th birthday and appearance on the spectacular Lincoln Presidential dollar! The Republic of Liberia's government has authorized this groundbreaking legal tender issue which will never be released for circulation.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Valued Member
 United States
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I finally found some listings for these. That's $20 Liberian money which is pennies in US. I see some have sold on ebay with a small mention that they are clad. I paid $1 each as no one else would bid on them at the auction. Thanks for all the interesting depth of the story.
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Quote: That's $20 Liberian money which is pennies in US. No, it's worse than that. The face value of the "coin" is 1 Liberian dollar, which even back in 2009 was just a couple of US cents, and is even worse today. There'll be a few cents worth of scrap brass (or whatever base-metal they'd have used) and a few cents worth of silver plating. But NCM sold the "coins" for US$20 each, to the suckers that bought them back in 2009. A dollar each is probably a fair price for them on the secondary market. Maybe a few dollars more, if you're a Lincoln tragic or an Obama fan and you just gotta collect everything ever made with their picture on it. But they were never really worth anywhere near $20. And there's basically zero collector demand for such things, so that's not really going to change any time soon. National Collectors Mint: tricking people into paying a high price for small change since 1994.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Ok good @ppo. I'm glad you didn't pay $20 USD for these. At a buck a piece, that seems like a reasonable price.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Very interesting. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm not so quick to write off the Liberian coins. They have minted Commemorative US "coins" for many years. Some are Copper/Nickel, some Brass and some are .999 or .925 silver. They also make gold ones as well. There are some nice values in the retail market for these. I saw many of them as graded by NGC. Liberian coins are generally marked "Liberia". Here are just a few of mine. The Gettysburg is Copper/Nickel with a $5 denomination, the Lincoln is .999 silver in a $20 denomination and the Indian (copy) is 2 oz is .999 silver. The larger denominations tend to be silver and or gold. I'm pretty sure that the Indian is Liberian. Liberia makes some quite beautiful designs and most are Proof or Proof like. I have several in my collection. Here are the three that I mentioned.   
Edited by dsking 01/19/2023 1:12 pm
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New Member
United States
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The prize coin of my collection is a piece of CRAP. I thought my dad was smarter than that.I'll crawl back in my hole now.
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