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Please show us some more pictures of the horn, especially the inscription.
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Here are some pictures of the horn.   |
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That's quite a nice piece of history. Do you have a Hills rifle you can pair it with?  Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
03/14/2023 5:07 pm
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I don't have a Hills gun right now but have owned several in the last few years.
The name on the horn and his name on the fowler linked to on an earlier post appear to be the same which leads me to believe he engraved the horn. Since he lived to 1808 the horn could have been made well after the Revolutionary War.
My take so far is, that the coin is old but not original to the 1787 period. It may have been added later by someone else.
Al
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I'd like to see one fired but I suspect they are much too valuable now to risk doing so.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Thanks for sharing your item with us. For us numismatists, the Brasher Doubloon is an important coin because it is the first gold coin that is documented to have been made in the United States after we became a Nation. It is famous for that reason and I suppose that many copies have been made over the years. It looks like the Mills family in Goshen CT was an important part of the story of the birth of our Nation, having fought for its founding. The horn looks to be a treasure on its own and it seems to have a connection to the early coinage in our country.
I've seen a lot of intricate scrimshaw on visits to the wharf in Newport Rhode Island, carved on whales teeth, ivory tusks and whale bones. It reminds me of Moby Dick and the days before oil was first struck in Pennsylvania and homes where lit using lamps burning whale blubber. On visits to Massachusetts I remember touring the mansions in New Bedford, where whaling captains were the energy tycoons of the day and owned the bank, general store and all assets of importance as fuel was so essential to daily like. Hope you enjoy your artifact and keep our Nation's history alive through it.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I have one question. Does the "spout" of the powder horn look correct for the Revolutionary War period or before? The multiple metal fittings and threading look perfectly round, like it was turned by machine and not pounded into shape by a metal smith of those early days.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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The horn has no metal on it except for the coin and the nails. The spout and butt plug are horn. Threaded horns of that era are round. Those guys weren't as provincial as you might think.
Al
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Now we seem to have a member responding that really knows what he's looking at as far as the powder horn. So glad that you came on board. You have very interesting posts. Thanks!
Maybe the coin isn't period to the horn but, it could very well have been added at a later date such as the pre Civil War time frame from the 1861 copies.
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03/14/2023 7:19 pm
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Earlier I did a search for "Brasher doubloon replica" to hopefully find a match for the one on the horn.
Did not realize how many replicas there are....
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Thanks, enlarging it shows that it is not metal but a material like horn. Looks like maybe an early turning lathe may have been used to create it. Looks like great craftsmanship.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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