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1922 No D Weak Reverse Question

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Hey folks

I know PCGS used to recognize the No D Weak Reverse.

Do they only recognize the No D Strong reverse now?

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Good question. So what happens when a 22 No-D weak reverse is submitted?
PCGS does not show a pop report of any...
Looking fwd to what others have to say as well.
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Generally most 1922 no-D have weak reverses. Thus, the weak reverse is the normal. One die pair has the strong reverse, thus the the distinction.
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Generally most 1922 no-D have weak reverses. Thus, the weak reverse is the normal. One die pair has the strong reverse, thus the the distinction.


They are only showing the 1922 No D Strong Reverse in both population reports and the price guide.

There is no other 1922 No D.

This is a bummer, NGC seems to be the only one that still recognizes the Weak Reverse.
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PCGS has attributed 22 no D weak reverses in the past, and I haven't seen anything to suggest they are no longer doing so. Here's their website showing the population report for the 22 no D weak reverses.

https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...erse-bn/2540
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Thanks Zurie for that link!
I couldn't find it at first because it's not shown like the 22 No D Strong Reverse. I found it under the 22-D and had to click on "Show Related Coins and Varieties (12)" and it was listed there.
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Thanks for that info!
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*Update folks

I found out that they no longer attribute the 1922 no d weak reverse.

Any coins that were grading as such can get re-holdered with it, but any new ones are not being graded as such.

Looks like I'm sending mine to NGC
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The 1922 "plain" or "no d" can be produced from four different die pairs. Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 produce either
a "weak D" or a "No D". Die Pair #2, which is the most desirable of the four die pairs, always produces a "No D".

All 1922 weak D or No D coins fall into one of 7 categories:
1. Die Pair #1 Weak D (Weak Reverse)
2. Die Pair #1 No D (Weak Reverse)
3. Die Pair #2 No D (Strong Reverse) also called 1922 Plain
4. Die Pair #3 Weak D (Weak Reverse)
5. Die Pair #3 No D (Weak Reverse)
6. Die Pair #4 Weak D (Weak Reverse)
7. Die Pair #4 No D (Weak Reverse)

PCGS, NGC and some other grading services do not distinguish between the varieties. PCGS and
NGC authenticate Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 as either "1922 weak D" or "1922 No D weak reverse". Die Pair #2 is
authenticated as "1922 No D strong reverse".

ANACS does things a little bit differently. Only Die Pair #2 is given a "No D" classification. Die Pairs #1, #3 and
#4 are all classified as "Weak D's" regardless of the strength of the mintmark.

Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 were the result of "mint grease", which is a combination of dirt, metal, and oil, filling the area of the mintmark. Mint grease would fill the mintmark gradually, resulting in different levels of "weakness". It is believed that the mint grease would fall out, then refill creating a cycle of normal D's, broken D's, weak D's, and no D's. When looking at circulated examples of 1922 D's, keep in mind that the mintmark could have simply be worn from use. Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 have "weak reverses" because they were struck with worn reverse dies.

Die Pair #2 is not believed to be the result of "mint grease".

Bookmark this; more info here if needed including how to classify the die pairs:
https://lincolncentresource.com/192...rieties.html

That was the only info I had on this.
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Datadragon- I appreciate the copy paste.

But these facts I knew and I wanted to let everyone know PCGS will not grade any 22 no d's, unless it is the strong reverse.
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Interesting, thanks for that.
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I found out that they no longer attribute the 1922 no d weak reverse.


It's been that way for long time now. They attribute the weak reverse no D's but call them "weak D". PCGS and ANACS are not the TPG's to send the non-DP2 coins to. I found out the hard way with ANACS.


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