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New Member
United States
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I need to vent a little but also get some help from this community maybe to help educated me as to how I can avoid getting "details" on so many submissions. I recently submitted 19 coins for grading to PCGS and only got 5 that weren't given details on them. I will post the one coin I am struggling with the most as to why it was given "damaged" details. I would've thought that this would be an acceptable amount of "wear" for a coin I wasn't expecting to get MS-66 or anything. Is the "damage" in this coin the small areas around the mint mark on the reverse or is there more I am not taking into account? I keep getting "cleaned" on a handful of coins as well and I NEVER clean my coins. I don't even use acetone on them. I'll upload a pic of one designated as cleaned if others don't have this issue and think that I should be noticing something before submitting. I don't rub them with a rag, dip them, or anything! Ugggh! Should I look to submit to NGC more or what?   |
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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The coin does look harshly cleaned to me on these pics, FWIW. Perhaps it was cleaned by someone else before you got it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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New Member
 United States
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So what details give you the impression of harshly cleaned for this versus general wear and tear? It would have to have been cleaned before I got it, but I can't be too surprised since it's basically 150 years old....
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 United States
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To help out @tol (and me) a bit more, are you guys talking about the many parallel scratches that are visible on the fields or something else? Thx for clarifying.
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United States
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They examine it with magnification. If they see signs of even slight abrasion marks, they consider it cleaned. It is likely the coin was cleaned before you got the coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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The parallel lines, some of which appear to crisscross and mostly stop along the borders of the devices, strongly suggest a harsh cleaning. It's harder to see what they called damage, but there is some mottling on the left arm and in the folds of the gown that might indicate some acid damage.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The lines visible in the fields indicate abrasion, an attempt at cleaning. If you notice how they stop as you get close to the devices and the rim, an indication of cleaning. This could have been done many years ago.
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Taiwan
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Should I look to submit to NGC more or what? I would quit buying coins altogether until you hone your grading skills and understand how the TPG's grade.. If you really need your coin fix I would stick with PCGS/NGC graded coins. Even then depending on the series the TPG's can be very forgiving. Trying to evaluate a coin by a photograph slabbed or not is impossible for me. I have to have the coin in hand to truly tell if the coin is all there for me. This is not meant to be criticism of you in any way. Buying coins is very easy. With the help of the community I am sure we can reduce your tuition costs so you can enjoy this great hobby. All the best. |
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United States
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If you keep sending in coins and they are coming back details, the fault is with you.
Here are the steps you need to do before you grade 1 more coin:
1) Look at each coin objectively, does it need to be graded, why am I grading this coin, will it benefit from being graded?
2) If the answer is yes, look at the coin again, does it have damage, will get a details grade, is there anything that is turning me off about the coin?
3) After you seperate the coins into 2 piles (I'm going to grade and I'm not going to grade), look over each coin again, do you see hairlines? Signs the coin was cleaned, scratches? Any reason to details the coins.
4) You could also ask here , but being honest. I see pretty bad guesses also given here.
5) Submit the coins you want for grading and see what the results are.
6) If they are in expectation, you know what you are doing and keep on doing it.
7) If they aren't buy slabbed coins as you are a terrible grader and will keep on making bad mistakes after bad mistakes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As to the Trade dollar posted, its covered in hairlines, so it was harshly cleaned and will get a details grade no matter the TPG you send it to. If you can't see the hairlines and can't tell that cloin is harshly cleaned you should not be submitting coins for grading. If you disagree, please send that coin to NGC, I don't think you will be happy with the results. Edited by hfjacinto
09/30/2023 12:49 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Must agree with the majority here - you have a way to go on the learning curve.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The cleaning here is so obvious.
Since you cannot tell that, that's a red flag.
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United States
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I don't know what line they draw between "cleaned" and "damaged" but the obverse shows some very serious scrubbing with something very abrasive, especially left of the date and below her arm.
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I keep getting "cleaned" on a handful of coins as well and I NEVER clean my coins. They were cleaned before you bought them. |
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