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How Low (On Silver Content Below 70%) Can You Go?

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 Posted 12/09/2023  04:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tried to search for it and apparently Numista lists a late medieval pegione of Milan as 0.660 purity. A different denomination from the same reign is 0.650, so one wonders where the figures come from...

It turns out that this specific "0.660" type is the second coin in this thread, so presumably Spence has that one (or used to, anyway).
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 Posted 12/09/2023  04:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, triggersmob!
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 Posted 12/09/2023  04:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
january1may, how do you search by silver content on Numista?
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 Posted 12/09/2023  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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january1may, how do you search by silver content on Numista?
It used to be easy, but then the option was removed (possibly by accident) in the restructuring of the composition entries...
This time I just entered .660, then .659, then .661, and so on, in the search bar, and scrolled through the 3-4 pages of results for each to see which ones have the number as the silver purity. (Only the Milanese grosso, as it happens, though there was a bunch of results for .663 purity gold coins.)
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 Posted 12/09/2023  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I tried to search for it and apparently Numista lists a late medieval pegione of Milan as 0.660 purity. A different denomination from the same reign is 0.650, so one wonders where the figures come from...


The first figure came from the website lamoneta.it . It's actually listed as .660-.630 there. There is another similar type struck under the same reign listed at 0.680 https://numismatica-italiana.lamone...ta/W-GBVSC/3 .
The second type you mention as 0.650 is actually listed as 0.666-0.630 on lamoneta, so, whoever created the numista listing decided to take an average.
It could mean the grosso was undergoing some gradual debasement during that reign (also a common feature of the Polish types I am posting, and consequently a source of some errors in KM). Sounds like Milan is one of the places where the monetary ordinances or mint records were preserved (like they were in parts of the Low COuntries and France).
Anyhow, since the coins are undated, if lamoneta is correct, it sounds like there was a range of composition, and there is no way to know the exact value, except that it fits in the 60-70% range.

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 Posted 12/09/2023  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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though there was a bunch of results for .663 purity gold coins.

To get rid of that, enter silver in the composition field.
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 Posted 12/09/2023  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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enter silver in the composition field

, and we have lots of fun using numista on 20 questions on here

I know I have several other coins that can fit into this area...
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 Posted 12/09/2023  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know that we already have one coin from the Netherlands clocking in at 64%, but here is a 5 Cents to add to the list:

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 Posted 12/09/2023  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That one's a beauty, Spence!
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 Posted 12/09/2023  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also adding a duplicate for 67% with this 3 Reichstaler from Prussia:


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 Posted 12/10/2023  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin, Spence!
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 Posted 12/11/2023  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do I get in trouble if I break my own rules and move down to the next level sooner than anticipated?

The rules allow for catching up anyhow.

We'll have a last call on 60-69% for today/tomorrow, then I will start the 50-59% range on Wednesday unless there are objections.
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Do I get in trouble if I break my own rules and move down to the next level sooner than anticipated?
Nope. You made the rules, you may amend or break them as necessary.

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 Posted 12/12/2023  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have several that are .500. Very curious to see what other percentages there are.
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