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Hello. I'm Chris from Philadelphia, PA, USA. New to the community and excited to take in all that this site has to offer! Let's get started with...Cleaning. I have a 1888/7 Indian Head penny with heavy oxidation. How would you go about cleaning it without damaging the coin any further? Sorry, but no picture yet. I'm doing this post at work and don't carry the coin with me. I can't wait for people to give their Two Cents about this #128558;#8205;#128168;
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Pillar of the Community
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Welcome to CCF! Please use the search line here on CCF. You'll find lots of prior posts about cleaning coins. Some have posted their method of cleaning with before/after photos. Be careful, read and learn before you attempt to clean a coin. Usually you should never clean collectible coins. But if they are encrusted, found in ground etc. there are ways to carefully remove some of the crud. Do not use anything abrasive that would scratch the surface. Many use acetone. To preserve a coin with oxidation, verdigris, I've used a product called Verdicare.
Edited by livingwater 02/14/2024 07:48 am
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Pillar of the Community
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For most coins, all I do is put them in acetone and rinse with distilled water. That is all most need. I don't buy coins with issues. I do have VerdiCare which I use on coins that have come in not as described. That usually works well. I have kept coins in verdi care for an hour to a few days. I don't really recommend much else (especially if the coin has value). If the coin has no numismatic value then clean as you see fit.
An 1888/7 has value so I would use Verdicare or Coin Care and no rubbing. Then an acetone bath and then a rinse in distilled water.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Do hope to see full, large and sharp images of the obverse and reverse.
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New Member
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Thank you all for the great advice. When I get home I'll post pictures.
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Pillar of the Community
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If you are a beginner collector, I would recommend no type of cleaning as inexperience with the hobby leads to damaging the coins. Many of us did it at one point, might as well avoid it altogether.
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New Member
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And what is your opinions about an ultrasonic cleaner using distilled water?
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That has been discussed before. Use the search box upper left of page for tons of info. John1 
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@ccm, first welcome to CCF. Second, here is a link to a cleaning thread started last month that is probably a good read for you. As mentioned above, this question pops of with some frequency, so best is to read through these old threads at least as a starting point. http://goccf.com/t/458018
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Pillar of the Community
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The first rule of cleaning coins is don't. Most coins are worth more uncleaned, and cleaning them can destroy the monetary value. The second rule of cleaning coins is practice on worthless coins first. Get some ordinary nickels, cents, junk silver, corroded Indian Head cents, whatever. Don't start with anything valuable. As a cleaning beginner, I've had some decent results with 99% pure acetone on filthy, gunked, and painted circulated Jefferson nickels. Others here have worked near-miracles on metal detecting finds.
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@CCM323  I only "clean" my copper/bronze/brass coins with an acetone bath.
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Looking fwd to some pics! A full pic of the front and back...and the best in focus close up off the date. smat
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Quote:I have a 1888/7 Indian Head penny with heavy oxidation. How would you go about cleaning it without damaging the coin any further? I would not. "Oxidation" is a normal and acceptable part of a coin's aging. Removing it is seen as removing its history. If you truly wish to avoid "damaging the coin any further", then (a) don't remove the oxidation, and (b) put the coin in a moisture-proof, airtight container to prevent further oxidation. Although oxidation is technically a form of mild corrosion, using the word "corrosion" is normally limited to the more severe rust-like formations on coins caused by adverse chemical conditions. Quote: And what is your opinions about an ultrasonic cleaner using distilled water? Three problems here. The first is a laws-of-physics problem: putting pure distilled water in an ultrasonic bath doesn't actually do very much at all. For an ultrasonic bath to be effective, you need to be able to allow microscopic bubbles to form and implode within the solution inside the bath - this the where the ultrasonic cleaning action comes from, tiny little shock waves from tiny little imploding bubbles. But to get that cavitation to happen, you need to reduce the surface tension - the surface tension of pure water is too high. So you need to add some kind of detergent or surfactant to the solution. The second is an engineering problem. Ideally, you want to completely immerse the coin in the solution, without it touching anything else. The ultrasonic bath will make the coin vibrate rapidly back and forth, and if the coin is touching anything while it's doing this, there is the likelihood of "rub" happening on the points of the coin that are touching the object in question. You want to avoid the coin rubbing against anything solid - the sides of the bath, the base of the bath, or any kind of rack or holder used to hold the coin in the bath. Even a piece of string would cause rubbing. So unless they invent antigravity or devise some kind of fancy electromagnetic or hydraulic suspension effect to force the coin to "levitate" in the middle of the solution without it touching anything solid, the water bath will almost certainly cause high point wear on a coin. Whether or not such damage would be detectable to the eye, would depend on the strength of the bath and how long it was submerged. Thirdly, there's the chemistry problem... if the goal is oxidation removal then an ultrasonic bath isn't going to remove oxidation. Sonication removes "dirt", and oxidation isn't dirt. Oxidation forms by chemical reaction, and you need another chemical reaction to happen to make it go away. Unfortunately, such chemical reactions almost always also attack the underlying metal, causing even further damage - which is why we say "never clean coins". Finally, to answer the question in the thread title, personally: Quote: How Do You Clean Your Coins? Coins with PVC goo, sticky-tape residue, varnish or similar stuff stuck to the surface, get rinsed with a couple of rinses of acetone. Coins with heavy corrosion - and are thus otherwise undesirable - I sometimes experiment with various chemicals, either acids, bases, or chelating agents. I've had mixed success, and the end-result is almost invariably a "cleaned coin" that nobody would want - which is why I only treat badly corroded coins that nobody would want anyway.
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