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Post Your Old Times Deniers And Pennies (600-1700 C. E.)

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This 12th Century French Denier comes from Aquitane. Any thoughts on how to classify a cross made from four tiny crosses? Metacruciform maybe?

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This 12th Century French Denier comes from Aquitane.
Very nice!
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Very nice, Spence!
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Nice contributions, Spence and tdziemia!

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- Floriate (American), fleury (English from French) / fleuree or fleuronnee (French)

Ah, ok, different terms in American and British English - good to know. Like elevator and lift, vacuum and hoover.

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This 12th Century French Denier comes from Aquitane. Any thoughts on how to classify a cross made from four tiny crosses? Metacruciform maybe?

"Four crosslets forming a cross", is what I called it on page 7 (which is basically what Duplessy calls it in his book). Metacruciform is not a bad suggestion, I like it! (I get exactly one hit on Google for the word, from a thesis on organic chemistry - there should soon be two, once the indexing worm finds it way to this thread. )

I'm soon running out of deniers, but I still have a couple to show.

The coins of Carolingian king Louis IV (ruled 936-954) were immobilized by a number of French feudalities. This one from a century after his rule was minted by count Fulk or his successor William.

Denier, County of Angoulême, 1050-1099, Fulk/William V. Silver, 1.25 g, 20 mm.

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Obverse: LODOICVS (Louis).
Reverse: EGOLISSIME (Angoulême).
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Great one @era and way to go posting a Denier with four annulets forming a cross. Hopefully @tdz can weigh in with their classification system for this construction!

Here is another 12th Century Hungarian Denar.

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For folks wanting to see what must surely be among the most extensive collections of Hungarian Denars in private hands, I strongly recommend these threads:

http://goccf.com/t/323749
http://goccf.com/t/358663

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Very nice, erafjel, and Spence.
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Here is a Genoan Denaro from the 12th-13th Century:

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Nice example, Spence.
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Any thoughts on how to classify a cross made from four tiny crosses? Metacruciform maybe?

I would describe it as four crosslets organized in the form of a cross with an annulet at the center.
Like those 18th century Low Countries liards posted in erafjel's last thread that have four shields organized in the form of a cross.

On the Geonoa denaro, I recently tried to import the MEC classification system into Numista, and yours might best resemble this one: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces63890.html
The description of the reverse in MEC goes like this: "X with long serifs, the upright abbreviation for -VS in Conradus resembling an eagle's head."
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I know these are rather common, but I still find them interesting ... I bought this on ebay, & want to give the seller "Arkady's coins" a boost here ... great guy to deal with, good communicator, fast shipper ... I've made 2 purchases, both very satisfactory all around ... check him out ... anyway, here's a Maximilian I ... 20 bucks shipped ... bad pic, but the coin is AU++ ... (IMHO)

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Very nice, mrwiskers!
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Here is another 12th Century Hungarian Denar.

Lovely!

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Here is a Genoan Denaro from the 12th-13th Century:

Very nice indeed!

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here's a Maximilian I

Very nice, mrwiskers!

Today I am showing the last of my deniers. Spence has shown one like it here before, but I think it is pretty enough to be granted another show.

Denier, Duchy of Normandie, 943-996, Richard I, Rouen. Silver, 1.09 g, 21 mm.

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Obverse: RICARDVSI.
Reverse: ROTOMAGVS (Rouen).

Ok, so now I will sit back and see what else shows up here!

Thank you all for contributing and making this into a such an interesting thread with lots of beautiful and fascinating coins!
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