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Post Your Old Times Deniers And Pennies (600-1700 C. E.)

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Another nice one, Spence!
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Back to the Crusades for me this evening with this late 12th Century Denier from the Principality of Antioch. At least for me, this helmeted portrait (of Bohemond?) is perhaps the most iconic design feature of the coins of the Crusades. These are readily available and won't break the bank.

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Very nice, Spence!
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As long as folks are ok with it, I'm going to just keep posting here though as I've still got a few more centuries to get through.
You will receive no complaints from me.

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Two very nice and interesting coins, Spence!
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Not 100% sure that this Terzodi Apuliense "counts" as a Denier or Penny, so pardon me if it is out of scope. It was minted in Norman Sicily in the late 12th Century.

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Very nice, Spence.
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Here is a late 12th Century Denar from the Archbishopric of Cologne. It was struck a bit off center, but as many of you know, finding fully-struck, centered medieval coins can be more challenging than picking up an "error" like this one.

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Nice Off Center medieval coin, Spence.
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Indeed, the design on that Deols denier is really unusual. I hope nobody would up at the stake for witchcraft.

I've still got a few to show (Poland, Low Countries, Lorraine). Just having a busy summer!
Abbey of Souvigny (France), late 12th/early 13th century. I bet ya never knew the monks were wearing dreads back then :
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Bishopric of Metz, denier of Frederic de Pluvoise (1171-1173):
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Full obverse legend would be FRIDERIC9 (the symbol that looks like our 9 being a shorthand for -US), and reverse METENSIS.
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Here is a contemporary Denar from the Bishopric of Toul, issued on behalf of Peter of Brixey, and not previously posted by me on CCF:

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Then I won't post mine .


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Not 100% sure that this Terzodi Apuliense "counts" as a Denier or Penny, so pardon me if it is out of scope.

That was a new one to me. I remembered that Sicily transitioned from striking Taris and follaros to striking denari at some point in the 12th century, so I checked up in MEC Vol. 14.
Grierson and Travaini have this coin in the 1st coinage of William II, c. 1166-1180. Their best guess is that the apuliensis was 1/6 of a tari, so the tercius would be 1/18 of a tari (hence, maybe out of scope as you guessed, but that's erafjel's call). I think the first denari are struck in Sicily with the Hohenstaufens, starting with Henry VI in 1195 (pretty sure we both have some of Frederick's a little after that).

Here is a Polish denar of Boleslaw IV, struck 1147-1156:
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Obverse: the king standng, holding a sword horizontally at waist level, BOLEZLAVS
Reverse: reliquary with the head of St. Adalbert, S ADALBE-IVS
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