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Post Your Old Times Deniers And Pennies (600-1700 C. E.)

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 Posted 07/15/2024  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin, Spence.
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My last Brabant denier, similar to the last one I posted, but bearing the initials N (retrograde) V at the sides of the lion shield, which attribute it to Aleyde of Burgundy, the widow (Vidua Nobilis) of Henry II. She served as regent for the young duke John I from 1261-1267:

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On to Sicily!
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I can't find good pics of my last 12th Century Denar, so will skip ahead to the 13th Century for now. This Pfennig dates to the first half of that century and was minted in Salzburg.
We will take what you can show us! Very nice!


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My last Brabant denier, similar to the last one I posted, but bearing the initials N (retrograde) V at the sides of the lion shield, which attribute it to Aleyde of Burgundy, the widow (Vidua Nobilis) of Henry II. She served as regent for the young duke John I from 1261-1267:
Excellent!
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Denaro from the Italian City State of Brindisi

Very nice eagle on that one.

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I've got a few more varieties of Brabant deniers

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This Denar was minted for pretty much the entire 13th Century as far as I can tell. It was issued by the French Bishopric at Valence and has a good example of a "spade-tipped" cross (just made that term up--not sure what our experts will correctly call it...).

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Nice additions, tdziemia, and Spence.
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This Denar was minted for pretty much the entire 13th Century as far as I can tell...
Very nice!
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"spade-tipped" cross (just made that term up--not sure what our experts will correctly call it...)


I hope that sends erafjel to the appropriate reference book
There is a "croix ancree" (anchor tips) but I agree this is a different beast, so I like spade-tipped!

Spence already showed one of the earliest "Sicilian" denari (Sicily as a political entity was not only the island, but much of Italy south of Naples). When Frederick II took the title king of Sicily in 1198, he began a program of frequent coinage changes, starting with denari of 0.85 grams and 0.250 fineness, and ending at under 0.76 grams and under 0.03 by 1250 when he died.

My first is this one attributed to the Brindisi mint, 1239. If that crack gets any worse, I am afraid I will have two half denari and need to start a new thread for them :
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Obverse: F IMPERATOR (Emperor Frederick ...)
Reverse: R IER ET SICL (...King of Jerusalem and Sicily)
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My first is this one attributed to the Brindisi mint, 1239:
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This Denar was minted for pretty much the entire 13th Century as far as I can tell. It was issued by the French Bishopric at Valence and has a good example of a "spade-tipped" cross (just made that term up--not sure what our experts will correctly call it...).

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I hope that sends erafjel to the appropriate reference book

He he, yes . . .

This is a tricky one. Duplessy Feodales does not have a term for it but a description, which translates to "balled cross with the balls being concave towards the interior" (the French term is croix bouletee, I'm not sure balled cross is the best translation, but the alternative pelleted cross mostly refers to crosses with pellets between the arms). In Numista I find the French description (again translated) "cross with arms ending with crescents" (croissants is the French word used). The English version for the same page simply says "cross finishing in pellets". Googling on "cross with arms ending with crescents" only shows crosses with the crescents turned outwards.

Conclusion: I don't know!

What I do know is that I want one of these! I like the way the eagle looks . It has been on my wish list for quite some time, just waiting for that one where the eagle is really well rendered . . .
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It has been on my wish list for quite some time, just waiting for that one where the eagle is really well rendered . . .

Good to know--maybe let's chat.


Here is a Denaro from the Italian Republic of Arezzo that seems to be broadly attributed to the 13th Century.

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