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Post Your Old Times Deniers And Pennies (600-1700 C. E.)

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 Posted 08/07/2024  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A beautiful bracteate! It's a fascinating concept.

Unfortunately no bracteates in my collection; I've seen some in 2013ish but didn't buy them because I naively thought they were too expensive, and by the time I realized that wasn't the case they'd already been sold. Never seen any others that were anywhere near within my budget.

Do have a thin uniface pfennig, from much later...

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...I could swear I had a pic of the other side but apparently no, or at least not anywhere I could quickly find.

Free City of Nürnberg, AR uniface pfennig, circa 1457.
Numista 132930 (where it's dated to the exact year, but AFAIK other catalogs aren't as precise).

The photo is rotated 90 degrees, unfortunately; this had sadly afflicted all my CCF photos from the first few months of 2017.
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 Posted 08/07/2024  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah thx for including that numista link @j1m as I was otherwise going to ask about the partial inscription below the shields and between the annulets. A Gothic letter N makes a lot of sense.

As for my bracteate posted earlier today, I picked it up in 2010, so it wasn't as pricey as it would likely be now. I started collecting medieval small silvers due to their reasonable pricing.

Speaking of medieval silver, this 13th Century Heller from the German State of Hall am Kocher was one of my earliest purchases in this genre. I really feel like the upright hand design is iconic, much like the Athenian owl is for collectors of ancients.

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 Posted 08/07/2024  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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A Gothic letter N makes a lot of sense.
Indeed - I knew it had to be a N (there are some later types with a more familiar shape) but I didn't understand why it was backwards. It actually isn't backwards, technically, but it's still a rather unusual letterform.

I love medieval silvers! Got a bunch of them, mostly from bargain bins. Unfortunately the identified ones are expensive (by my standards, anyway) and the bargain bin ones are often very hard to ID.
...and of course in Israel it's unclear if they're even legal to collect (I can't figure out if the antiquities laws make any exceptions for items brought in from other countries, or only allow properly registered local finds).

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I really feel like the upright hand design is iconic, much like the Athenian owl is for collectors of ancients.
Those handhellers are pretty iconic, yeah! Maybe not as much as the Athenian owl, but comparable to the Rhodian rose or the Ptolemaic eagle.

(And that reverse design wouldn't look out of place on an archaic Greek coin.)
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 Posted 08/07/2024  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice additions!
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Speaking of medieval silver, this 13th Century Heller from the German State of Hall am Kocher was one of my earliest purchases in this genre.
Outstanding!

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I really feel like the upright hand design is iconic, much like the Athenian owl is for collectors of ancients.
This is a new one for me, but it is an interesting thought.
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It actually isn't backwards, technically, but it's still a rather unusual letterform.


I think there wasn't yet a standard N. I've got those Ns where the diagonal stroke goes from upper right to lower left on several medievals, too. For Duchy of Ferrara, the direction of the crossbar on the N is what differentates the coins of two successive dukes named Nicolo (and allowed me to pick up the rarer one, mis-attributed, at a lower price than I had expected).

Another Hungarian denar of Ulaszlo, this one dated to 1444 I believe:
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Another Hungarian denar of Ulaszlo, this one dated to 1444 I believe:
Nice example!
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This Hungarian Denar is about 170 years older than @tdz's most recent post.

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This Hungarian Denar is about 170 years older than @tdz's most recent post.
Impressive!
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Nice adds.
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This Hungarian Denar is about 170 years older than @tdz's

So many cool designs on those!

Here is a late 15th century Polish denar from the reign of Jan Olbracht (1492-1501):
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