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Walking Back From 1600 With Dated Coins

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 Posted 01/18/2025  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My guess would be test cuts


Mine too!
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I wonder what's up with the weird conical holes; they look post-mint. My guess would be test cuts, but if so there's rather a lot of them. Fortunately they don't really mess up the design.

I also wondered why there are so many. My guess is that the counterfeiting gurus, back in the day, added test cuts to their copies before silvering them to give the impression that they had been tested before. The bankers and traders caught on, and would test cut again. This would affect both real coins and copies alike. It is self evident that "trust" wasn't a popular concept back then.
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802 AH - 1400 CE Bahmani AR Tanka
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Super clear date on this one!
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Super clear date on this one

Yep, someone had a good day at the mint.

801 AH 1399 CE Bahmani AR Tanka

Almost at the end (or start) of the Taj ud-din Firuz issues.
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[Groschen from Aachen dated 1403 AD] ... don't seem to come up for auction too often though.


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Today's listing is my final Taj ud-din Firuz* silver tanka.
(*a.k.a Taj al-din Firoz / Firuz...one of the drawbacks, having a consonant based written language)
800 AH 1398 C.E.
Although the date could be construed as 809, there wasn't a tanka issue for that year. (G&G)
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Although the date could be construed as 809, there wasn't a tanka issue for that year. (G&G)
I've seen a discussion in another forum about how 809 is the only missing year and they don't actually believe that it doesn't exist

But judging by the dates in the last few coins, if it was actually a 809 the zero would have been vertically centered lower than that. So if the second digit is as high as the third, it has to be a 800.

I'm guessing that tomorrow we'll see a 799 and then I'll have an answer to another possible disambiguation: sometimes the 9 has a sharp corner in the upper right than the 0 lacks. If that's the case then this is definitely not a 9.
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I'm guessing that tomorrow we'll see a 799 and then I'll have an answer to another possible disambiguation: sometimes the 9 has a sharp corner in the upper right than the 0 lacks. If that's the case then this is definitely not a 9.

Ah, the excitement is palpable!
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WAG currently has a nice upgrade calling your name


Thx for the head's up @sam. I'm posting a link here for visibility in case anyone wants to join the 1403 club. It is a little porous, but seems to be clearly struck.


https://www1.wago-auktionen.de/losd...nr=305&rid=0
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Today's listing is my final Taj ud-din Firuz* silver tanka... 800 AH 1398 C.E.
Very nice!

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For 1397 ( AH 799), I have another Bahmani tanka, this time issued under Muhammad Shah II.

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