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Walking Back From 1600 With Dated Coins

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Those francs are really spectacular!

With their nearly 14 g and 35 mm of silver, they are pretty satisfying to hold in your hand.

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1579 grosz struck in Gdansk

Quite spectacular as well, a beauty!

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Beautiful denier @erafjel! IIRC that's from some kind of experimental machine-struck issue

Thank you, january1may. It is machine struck, but that was no longer an experimental procedure. France made its first machine struck coins (silver) in the 1550s (you will see one here in due course). When pure copper coins began to be minted in the late 1570s, they were all machine struck and in large numbers.

Edit: Actually, mechanized striking is a more appropriate term, since no machines in the modern sense were used for the striking step. It was a manually handled screw press that was employed, which exerted a strike with great force.

Another coin from me for this year:

Holland 1579, oord.

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Another coin from me for this year: Holland 1579, oord.
Outstanding!
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With their nearly 14 g and 35 mm of silver, they are pretty satisfying to hold in your hand.

Oh that sounds good.
I have to get one....
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... the Gdansk grosz looks almost as good in terms of manufacturing quality and now I wonder what kind of equipment did they use.

I'm not sure, but I agree it looks too good to be hammered. Certainly not all the Polish mints were mechanized, because many of Bathory's and even Sigismund's coins (which were later) still have all the hallmarks of hammering. Gdansk was formerly Prusssian, and was a big trading city, so maybe they were ahead of the rest of Poland technologically?

Another Gdansk groat/gros/grosz of Stefan Bathory for 1578:
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Great looking coin, tdziemia!

My last dated coin for a while.

France 1578, liard.

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Another Gdansk groat/gros/grosz of Stefan Bathory for 1578:
Very nice!
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Some fascinating coins from way back when!
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Here is a 1577 1 grosz siege coin of the city of Gdansk (with some pretty significant planchet issuers ... crack and delamination reverse).
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When Henry III of France vacated the Polish throne in 1574, an interregnum ensued while the Polish parliament and nobility decided who would be the next king of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. In a contentious election, some factions were for Emperor Maximilian II (Haspsburg) and others for Stefan Bathory, Prince of Transylvania who had pledged to take Anna Jagiello, sister of Poland's last king, as his bride.
When Bathory was eventually confirmed, Gdansk, which had supported Maximilian, refused to accept the outcome, eventually forcing Bathory to quash the rebellion with military action 1576-1577.
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Nice @tdz! For today, I have this 2 Kreutzer from the German Countship of Pfalz-Simmern. I think that the mintmark, visible at 12 o'clock on the obv, looks a bit like a "sobrero de charro".

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looks a bit like a "sobrero de charro".


more than just a bit..
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This 1576 schilling is from the Duchy of Courland and Semigalia, a vassal state of the Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth at the time.
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Here is a uniface 2 Pfennig from Salzburg that is dated 1576:

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For 1575 I have this AH 983 Mughul Empire 1 Dam, another slug of a coin at over 20 grams, attributed as KM#28.3 / N# 53293


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Here is a uniface 2 Pfennig from Salzburg that is dated 1575:
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