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I Had A 1890 CC Graded MS-62 By PCGS I Cracked It To Give It A 3 Second Dip Now I See Hairlines

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That TrueView photo is now the same coin as your dipped one—thanks for clearing up the posting mistake. The bottom line is the same, though. Probably would have been best to leave well enough alone. Hard to compare the post-dip pics with TV photos since those are never very realistic, but it seems that Unc details is now a possibility. Maybe you'll get lucky and get a low MS straight grade again. Let us know how it turns out.
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 Posted 07/30/2024  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You need to post both sides of the coin. How can anyone provide an accurate estimate of a PCGS grade with only one side of the coin to evaluate?
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I doubt very much this coin will get an MS grade again. Always best to leave toned coins alone as the results may not be what you expect.
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I never knew toning hid that much. Same luster, but now you can see lower luster on left. I fear a AU58.
Well I learned a valuable lesson. I wish I would have sent into them to conserve our reconsideration. I'm blown away at what was hidden.
But PGCS should grade the Same. They know what their are doing. How could it get details grade if it didn't before. Do you think they would do that? And then what if I send the old slab back in with the grade of the straight grade it. Won't they change the grade?
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I-Had-A-1890-CC-Graded-MS-62-By-PCGS-I-Cracked-It-To-Give-It-A-3-Second-Dip-Now-I-See-Hairlines
I-Had-A-1890-CC-Graded-MS-62-By-PCGS-I-Cracked-It-To-Give-It-A-3-Second-Dip-Now-I-See-Hairlines

Here are before and after. Man it looked for much better. If it doesn't grade I'm sticking in a Sulphur book for 5 years and regrade.

Do you think it will grade? No lose of luster at high points
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I can't see how that coin garnered a 62 initially. Looking at the TV images with the required salt grain, it looks like a circulated coin to me. Could this be market grading at work, because of the toning? There is a ~$400-500 value difference between mid-AU and MS62. I've made no secret about my disdain for market grading, and this may be case in point.

Regardless of grade, the TVs may suggest a cleaned coin. Too many nicks on the face, toning only on the peripheral areas of the devices, and possible rub on the high points. What the dip likely did was reveal what was already there and overlooked by PCGS.
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So then, you would assign a technical grade of ...?
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My ill-informed technical grade would be AU55 based on TV photos, so a rough guess.
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I tend to agree that this looks like an AU coin after the dip. I wonder if it may get details now that the slide marks are not hidden in the toning. Tough break.
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Leaving toned coins alone would be like telling a five year old kid not to pick a scab. The urge is too great not to pick it, or dip it! It's been that way a long time.
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Damaging a rare coin to game the system. Not good stewardship of our numismatic heritage.
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The example has a little luster, but it looks circulated. My guess is that PCGS grades it AU details cleaned.
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Can't see it back in a 62 holder.
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with Frog!
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I wish I would have sent into them to conserve our reconsideration. I'm blown away at what was hidden.
But PGCS should grade the Same. They know what their are doing. How could it get details grade if it didn't before. Do you think they would do that? And then what if I send the old slab back in with the grade of the straight grade it. Won't they change the grade?


Once you crack out a coin, the old grade holder has no value in the new grading process as it is treated as a raw coin because cracked out coins sometimes get mishandled, scratched, cleaned and dipped. From your photos the example looks circulated and cleaned. PCGS often will treat dipped circulated coins as cleaned.
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