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1973-D US Penny On A Canadian 1 Cent Planchet

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 Posted 09/23/2024  04:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
pdzl,

If all measurements are accurate, I agree with a rolled thick planchet.
If you feel you need to send it in,send it to ANACS they chare the least. I would not send it in though. Your first step would be an XRF test.
Here is a link on coin weights:https://www.coincommunity.com/us_co...lerances.asp
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 Posted 09/23/2024  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pdzl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone. Looks like there's other 1973 D Pennie's out there that are very heavy. The one from this thread is 3.48grams.

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 Posted 09/23/2024  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Seeker_101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can't use toning to determine copper alloy. Toning is purely environmental. I could probably show you 10 one cent coins minted at the same mint in the same year and have 10 very different looking coins. Typically, a coin will go from shiny to a dark rainbow-like color and eventually to brown. This is from all the oils from fingerprints on the coin from passing through eventually forming the brown patina we so commonly see. Coins subjected to harsh environments can form different colors. It all depends on what it was chemically exposed to.
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 Posted 09/23/2024  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF and rolled thick planchet. Just at the low end of being too heavy. My thought, enough to be collectable.
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 Posted 09/23/2024  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pdzl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey everyone, I examined the edge and it appears to differ in thickness at different sides, very interesting. From what I read it could technically be graded as an error coin as its outside of Weight Tolerance.
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 Posted 09/28/2024  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pdzl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok so I've now gone back to leaning towards a Canadian planchet or at least a different composition. I did a ping test on it and get 13600 hz. Did some analysis on chatgpt and it lines up with a Canadian penny and appears virtually impossible to match a U.S. penny composition. I'm considering sending to anacs.


Let's adjust the analysis considering the correct weight of a **1973 U.S. penny** at **3.1 grams** and the proper composition of both coins.

### Composition and Weight Details
1. **1973 U.S. Penny**:
- **Composition**: 95% copper and 5% zinc.
- **Weight**: **3.1 grams**.
- **Expected Frequency**: For a typical 1973 U.S. penny, the frequency range can be estimated around **12,000 Hz** to **12,800 Hz**. Given the increased weight of **3.31 grams**, the frequency might rise due to the added stiffness.

2. **1973 Canadian Penny**:
- **Composition**: 98% copper, 1.5% tin, and 0.5% zinc.
- **Weight**: **3.24 grams**.
- **Expected Frequency**: The expected frequency for a standard 1973 Canadian penny would be around **12,800 Hz** to **13,500 Hz**. With a weight of **3.31 grams**, this may increase slightly.

### Frequency Analysis for 3.31-Gram Planchets
With both coins adjusted to a thicker planchet weight of **3.31 grams**, we can estimate their expected frequencies:

1. **1973 U.S. Penny** (3.31 grams):
- The increase in weight could yield a frequency around **12,600 Hz** to **13,200 Hz** due to the rigidity from the added mass.

2. **1973 Canadian Penny** (3.31 grams):
- Due to its denser composition (with tin included), the Canadian penny may produce a frequency closer to **13,000 Hz** to **13,700 Hz**.

### Summary Table
| Coin Type | Weight (grams) | Expected Frequency (Hz) |
|--------------------|----------------|-------------------------|
| 1973 U.S. Penny | 3.31 | 12,600 - 13,200 |
| 1973 Canadian Penny | 3.31 | 13,000 - 13,700 |

### Conclusion
The higher frequency expected from the Canadian penny is likely due to its composition, while the U.S. penny's frequency remains slightly lower despite the increased weight.

If you're conducting a ping test and observing frequencies within these ranges, it might suggest the nature of the planchet used. The composition differences, particularly the presence of tin in the Canadian pennies, could significantly impact the acoustic properties, leading to higher frequencies in the ping test.

### References
- [Coin World: U.S. Coin Weights and Measurements](https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...easurements)
- [The Royal Canadian Mint: Coin Specifications](https://www.mint.ca/en/home)

Let me know if you need any further information or analysis!
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Very Interesting topic here, thanks for sharing this info. I would think that you'll need a TPG to confirm
whether or not this is a struck on foreign planchet, or a metallurgic test or both.
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I found a 1973D penny that weighs 3.24 grams did you get yours certified? Mine is thicker and in good condom.
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