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Hey all, Found this in my collection and I'm having trouble identifying the type. I know there's two bust types and a few varieties. Could anyone with some experience please chime in? Rough grade estimates would be nice, as well.   Thanks everyone, CoinAdvocate Edited by CoinAdvocate
10/11/2024 09:03 am
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I am no expert on these, but I have ESC and have been comparing the descriptions and pictures in there.
The confirmation of Sixpence or Shilling is important - can you please give the diameter as this will make it clear?
Assuming it is a sixpence it would appear to be First Bust, large Harp, large Crowns with no errors in the positioning of the emblems on the reverse. This would make it ESC 1211, and scarcer than the early Harp, large Crown reverse.
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Oooh interesting! It's a shilling! ~25mm across... Any rough estimates on the grade?  I also have this one, which is also ~25mm across (shilling) but it's a 1699. Little bit lower grade it looks like but maybe rarer?   Thanks, CoinAdvocate Edited by CoinAdvocate
10/11/2024 09:07 am
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Ah - as a shilling makes more sense. ESC1104, no special features and the most common of the 1696 London Shillings.
I am not the best person to grade - I use only the UK system, which is much tougher than the US, so don't be disappointed! This one I would give "about Fine" for the obverse, maybe Fine at best, but only "good" to "very good" on the reverse. The obliteration of the French shield holding it well back. At least the date is just discernible - for many it is not.
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Thanks for the info, anything notable about the 1699? It is an 85 on the Numista rarity index, which is pretty cool!
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10/11/2024 09:27 am
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Yes, 1699 is a scarcer date. This one is Fifth bust, Reverse 1, ESC1145, with no stop after HIB - which is normal for the date.
1696 and 1697 are the most common dates as these correspond to the great re-moneying under the direction of Sir Isaac Newton. The later dates were produced in lesser numbers and so are scarcer now.
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Good info to have, thanks. I think I picked these up together for $60? Seems like a fair price.
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$60 sounds a very good deal. I would expect to pay a good deal more than that just for the 1699.
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