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Value Question On A 1937 George VI Penny

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Hello -

I'm brand new to the forums here and coin collecting, I just bought a 2 lbs bag of world coins, and in it was a UK 1937 George VI Penny (with both the waterline and P lined up varieties). The strike is in XF condition, but it's a bit dirty. All that said, someone drilled a small hole at the top (maybe to put a chain through).

I know this is not a valuable coin to begin with, but I want to use it to ask some newbie valuation type questions.

1. Numista only gives a general price for the entire year, it doesn't break it down by varieties. Where can I find that kind of information?

2. Does only the strike quality and actual marks on the coin matter when a coin is graded, or does cleanliness play a role as well? What about age discoloration?

3. How badly does a drill hole or other deliberate actions affect a coin's grade/condition/value?

Thank you in advance!
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I can give some quick answers; others may elaborate.

1. You would have to go to some specialized catalogue (our UK members would know), or do an intenet search. That I did and the 3 varieties of 1937 are considered common.

2.Eye appeal is important in valuations, although the grade may be the same. Cleanliness is too vague a concept. It depends on what the issue is. If there is dirt which comes off in acetone, it might not matter. "age discoloration" is not a recognized concept. You might mean tarnish or toning, which is a chemical process and not automatic due to age. Some toning is bad, other toning is attractive. If the tarnish is severe it sort of becomes corrosion, which is bad.

3. In general a hole is very bad. For common coins like this one, it has no value anymore: 5-10 cents perhaps. It would reduce the value in most cases to 10-25% of the undamaged coin. Real rarities pehaps not as much.
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Drilled holed common coin ,
no one cares , valueless .
A decent one is less than 2 dollars
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This website:
https://headsntails14.wordpress.com...varieties-2/
is the best for understanding varieties of all GB pennies. It does not give values, only relative rarity. Of the three circulation varieties of 1937 pennies, two are "abundant" and one "common". This means, with the hole on top, the coin is worth metal value only. (I have sent many kilos of this sort of coins to the scrap man before now.)
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1. There may be a variety catalogue or website which lists prices. But that being said, for the most part variety-hunting isn't as popular in Britain as it is in the States; varieties tend to see less steep prices.

2. "Grading" is, at least in theory, a technical description of how much wear from circulation a coin has received. Toning is a second layer to eye appeal beyond the mere technical grade. I am concerned about the "dirt" mentioned by the OP, and whether or not it is actual literal dirt or (more likely) corrosion. A corroded coin is a damaged coin, whose value will plummet and the coin becomes ungradable.

3. Deliberate damage, such as ngraved graffiti, drilling a hole or soldering the coin onto a piece of jewellery, tends to completely destroy its collector value for all but the most scarce coins. As such, holed coins are generally regarded as "non-gradable" and will be rejected by third-party grading companies. In terms of value, it is hard to predict, as coin collectors vary greatly in terms of opinion on how much a hole devalues a coin. Many collectors will say "it always devalues it completely and is now worth scrap metal value only", others will be prepared to be more generous. My rule of thumb for holed coins is to knock the price down by at least two whole grades, or more if the hole is unnecessarily large or ugly. In the case of your coin with "EF details", that means it ought to be knocked down to at least Fine price, perhaps lower. Which, in the case of your coin, is effectively scrap metal value anyway.
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