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Excellent coin! Here's my own, much less well preserved, Clement XI...   Papal States, Bologna Pope Clement XI (1700-21) (billon) muraiola of 2 bolognini 19 mm, 1.28 grams Obverse: [CLE]MENS.XI.PON[.]MA, bust right (presumably of Clement XI) Reverse: [S.PE]TRONIVS [DE.BON.], St. Petronius standing (with assorted background objects I'm not sure of the identity of) Lamoneta.it W-CXIBOL/9-16, CNI 202 (vol. X p. 242) Numista 388344; supposedly Muntoni 208 [sic] There were some more details visible in hand that didn't make it to these photos. (That's definitely one of the coins to rephotograph if/when I get back to my collection in Moscow.) Apparently there are reasons to believe that the second pic is probably upside down. |
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 I remember seeing that coin on anther thread (saints?) Here is a Ferrara version of the muraiola of 2 baiocchi: different place, different saint, and the bust facing the other way, dated 1711:   Petronius was an early (5th century) bishop of Bologna. Maurelius was an early (7th century) bishop in the region of Ferrara. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice additions. Errers and Varietys.
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nice additions so far today
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Pillar of the Community
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I remember seeing that coin on another thread (saints?) Probably the saints thread here, but I also posted it on the low-purity silver thread here. In retrospect, I think that at least one (possibly the entire group) of the unidentified "background objects" is a model of the city. I don't recall if I managed to find a better picture of my variant, though. |
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I think the photos in the Numista listing are compatible with your coin? He's holding a crozier in his right hand (the side with the name PETRONIVS) and a model of the city, like you say, in his left hand, held high almost like a violin is held, under the chin.
I will try to trudge through the Bologna section in CNI and see if there are other variants.
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"Clement was born Giovanni Francesco Albani, so the shield of arms obverse is that of the Albani family; it looks like a star in the upper half, and what I believe to be three stylized mountains in the lower half. The family hailed from Urbino, which is quite a mountainous place.
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That's a great example, again showing that decorative reverse from that mint.
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I've realised that I have a couple of coins from Benedict XIII that fit into this section. The first is a ND (1724) 1 Quattrino from the Gubbio mint. I haven't yet dug into the meaning behind the imagery but the reverse of Saint Ubaldus is quite well done.  The reverse lettering seems to differ from the example on numista - but the example there is quite worn and difficult to see. I believe the term "EPISCOS " means bishop. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces321305.htmlEdited by Bacchus2
03/19/2025 05:14 am
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nice addition Bacc! |
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Nice! Saint Ubaldus is the "traditional" patron saint of Gubbio and shows up on coins of that place before it came under Papal control. Under Papal states, we've seen both Paul (quattrinos posted upthread from Clement XIII and Benedict XIV) and now Ubaldus. I'm going back to Benedict XIV briefly before proceeding with another coin in this time slice. Upthread some coins were posted that had the pope's coat of arms obverse but also a (usually much smaller) coat of arms of the papal legate who was a sort of local governor or administrator on the pope's behalf (we've seen examples from the Bologna and Ferrara Papal States). During the reign of Benedict IV, Ferrara had three different papal legates: Marcello Crescenzi as pointed out by Bacchus2 on his half baiocco (1743-1747 as best I can tell from the coins), Camillo Paolucci (1748-1750) and Giovanni Battista Barni (1750-1751). By chance, we've seen an example of each last week, so here is a composite image, showing the differences between their coats of arms (as well as different choices of surrounding decoration):  Edited by tdziemia
03/19/2025 09:47 am
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wow, very nice adds tdz!!
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Nice examples! |
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wow, very nice adds tdz!! Oops! I should have made it clearer that was just pulling together three types that had been posted earlier to highlight their differences. So, now I will really add .. a muraiola of 4 baiocchi struck in Ferrara in 1717,and featuring a very unusual depiction of Saint George on the reverse. Any guesses why I'm calling it unusual?   Edited by tdziemia
03/19/2025 11:50 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice additions! Errers and Varietys.
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Very nice! |
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