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Need Help With Identifying The Specifics Of 1817 King George III Gold Coin

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I have recently acquired several coins from an estate. One in particular was a coin painted black. After the removal of some of the paint it appears to be a 1817 George III half-crown. After looking into it a bit further the half-crowns were all minted in silver and this one is gold. Help identifying this would most helpful. Thanks.

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Hello djforseth and

Your coin looks to me like a contemporary cast forgery of a George III halfcrown, made of brass. The black 'paint' may have been the remains of the thin silver coating that the coin would have been given so that it would pass in circulation. Brass forgeries of all silver George III coins of 1816-20 are quite common: the forgers were probably taking advantage of the fact that these were the first new silver coins issued for circulation for many years (apart from tokens) and the public would not yet have been familiar with them.
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 Posted 06/02/2025  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add djforseth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback, I have done a streak test that comes up gold, and copper will scratch it so it is less hard than copper. Is there a chance it could have been struck in gold in error instead of silver?
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@djf, first welcome to CCF. Second, I am struggling to think why someone would bother counterfeiting a coin with a metal *more* valuable than the original. Can you please perform a specific gravity test as that is non-destructive and post the results to this thread? Thx.
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The porous surface, and the black coating, both point towards this being made of cast brass and not gold. But the weight would be a simple enough test. A normal silver halfcrown weighs 14.14 grams. An actual gold coin the size of a halfcrown would weigh significantly more than that, something like 25 grams. A brass fake would weigh considerably less than 14 grams.

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Is there a chance it could have been struck in gold in error instead of silver?

No. For this coin to be actually made of gold, you would need a very odd chain of events to take place:
- Someone would have needed to steal some government gold to make a gold blank the size of a halfcrown, for some reason (no British gold coins are the size of a halfcrown, so it would have had to be specially made).
- You would then have needed to sneak in after hours and fire up the halfcrown coin press to strike your gold coin.
- You then need to drop your gold coin into aqua regia, to make it look all damaged and pitted like that. You'd also have to hack at it with a knife, for some reason.
- Then, for some reason, you decide to paint your gold halfcrown black (brass will naturally turn black in air, but gold won't).

That's all rather improbable, compared to the much simpler explanation, that your coin is a brass counterfeit halfcrown.
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Again thanks for responding back and I will do a test. I also have another one that looks to be an error penny, your thoughts would be much appreciated.

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Your American coin looks more mangled than mint error to me, but you're probably better off starting a new separate thread about it in the US Modern Errors thread.
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Ok thanks, I am new here was just throwing it out there.
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 Posted 06/03/2025  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add djforseth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok I found a scale small enough for weighing the coin and is is around 13 grams. So with the information given on this thread it looks like a halfcrown brass forgery, as gold would be considerably heavier. Thanks so much everyone for pointing this out.
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Thank you for the updated information. This will help others to learn in the future.
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