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Help With A Possible Countermark On Pe-10-7

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 Posted 06/28/2025  10:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cedargrove to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This PE-10-7 token seems to have an image struck into it.

I don't think it's an overstrike (e.g. SC&C struck over a host coin) as the image has depressed parts of the SC&C (see the base of the second M in COMMERCE).

I can make out some lettering at the bottom of the token, which I believe is reverse image. This would suggest it's not a true countermark, but maybe another coin or token was impressed into the PE-10-7 token.

The letters form a semi-circle around the leaf-like image, and the only letters I can make out are a reverse E and T, which suggests a word beginning with TE....

If anyone had suggestions as to what it might be I'd be grateful. Thanks.




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 Posted 06/28/2025  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By the looks of the damaged beads, something was pressed into it after the coin was struck.
Exactly what,I can't say. Technically it is PMD.
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 Posted 06/28/2025  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cedargrove to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@JimmyD

I see the damaged beads too. Yes, almost definitely PMD.

I like counterstamps, overstrikes, etc. which is why I bought this one. Just need to figure out what it is.
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Beneath the "MM" in COMMERCE, I can clearly make out the hindquarters (rear legs) of a horse, lion, unicorn or some similar heraldic animal.

If one is attempting to determine the source of the thing that made the impression into this token, I will just point out that it isn't necessarily another coin or token that leaves behind such an impression. It could literally be anything hard enough to not be crushed by having a piece of copper squeezed onto it.

That being said, I do nevertheless believe we have a numismatic match, with the Rutherford Brothers token from Newfoundland, Breton 953. Numista example. It has horses in heraldic poses, swirly stuff at the bottom, and the motto "PER MARE PER TERRAS"; your impression is a very good match for the right-side "PER TERRAS" side of the token being the origin of your impression. Now that one knows what to look for, one can even see the reverse-incuse "46" from the 1846 date, stamped into the rim.
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@Sap

You are amazing. You are correct, it is a perfect match.

I was thinking it would a much smaller item, given the curve of the lettering.

Thank you so much for your response.
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