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Question Regarding The 1888-O "Scarface" Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 08/28/2025  6:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello again all. I was just wondering if anyone knows what caused the die cracks in the 1888-O Scarface, as well as what caused the cracks to progress in the manner that they did? Any info would be greatly appreciated, thank you.
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 Posted 08/28/2025  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as I know, it was caused by the obverse die beginning to literally start breaking beyond just the normal die cracks. Those dies may have been at a higher than normal striking pressure also contributing to those features. Vamworld does give a better explanation of the various die progression of Scarface.
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 Posted 08/28/2025  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I read through all of the stuff on VAMWorld for 1B0 to 1B4, read Ash Harrison's VamView on the progression, and watched a video of Mr. Harrison describing the progression in reverse from Stage 10 to Stage 0. I also Googled and Reddited the hell out of it, checked past discussions on here, VAMWorld, and Collector's forums. I'm hoping to get the "gospel" answer somewhere, as in if it's known what the actual cause was and not just a theory. Thank you for the info, I will add it to my growing mental pile.
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 Posted 08/28/2025  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dies are made of high carbon steel. Tempered to hardness, they tend to crack as they are used. There are lots of die cracks on the Morgan dollar series. Just happens that the 1888-O scarface goes through the center of the design, and highly desirable as a result.

Nothing specifically happened to the dies, just wear and use. If there was damage to note on the dies that would impressed a raised area on every coin, that would be a different story. But it is just a normal die crack.
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 Posted 08/28/2025  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jacrispies, I have to ask with all sincerity if you're one of the people that would know the gospel answer to this? See the last time I questioned someone about the cause of a clash it turned out to be John Roberts. He actually did the Die Study for the entire mintage I was researching and I told him I thought his conclusions were wrong before I knew who I was talking to.
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*Cause of a die crack that is, not a clash.
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There is probably no sure way to know why this die cracked when and where it did. On this die, the trouble started near the dot between E and Pluribus. Could have been a strike-through happened on a coin earlier in the die life? Something created a weak spot that progressed as outlined in Harrison's review. A similar event occurred on the reverse die in the 1881S series (VAM-54)
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 Posted 08/29/2025  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bump, I'll add that 1881-S to my research.
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