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The "Death Workshop" Of Antioch

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For a period of a about sixty years, during the 3rd and 4th century, in the mint of Antioch, there was a peculiar way of showing the ninth workshop. This started during the reign of Probus when the mint of Antioch opened nine workshops and continued until around the death of Constantine I; when it ended and Antioch began using theta as a workshop. The 9th workshop was theta (looks like a circle with a line through it). However, the engravers during these years used delta (Greek for 4) and epsilon (Greek for 5) which add up to nine. The reason was probably because theta is the first letter of Greek word Thanatos; who was the personification of death...remember Thanos from the Avengers movie. The picture below shows a mosaic from the Villa Borghese in which dead gladiators have a theta below their names to show that they are deceased.


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Probus
A.D. 276-282
AE Antoninianus 21mm 3.8g
IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG; Radiate and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear.
CLEMENTIA TEMP; Carinus standing right, holding scepter, receiving Victory from Jupiter; epsilon delta between.
In ex. XXI
RIC Vii Antioch 922


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Diocletian
A.D. 293- 295
AE Antoninianus 22mm 4.3g
IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG; radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
CONCORDIA MILITVM; Diocletian standing right receiving Victory from Jupiter standing left with long scepter; epsilon delta in center.
In ex. XXI
RIC VI Antioch 322



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Maximianus
A.D. 299-300
AE follis 27x28mm 12.3g
IMP C M A MAXIMIANVS P F AVG; laureate head right.
GENIO POPVLI ROMANI; Genius standing left, modius on head, naked but for chlamys over left shoulder, right holding patera, left cornucopiae; delta epsilon across fields.
In ex. ANT
RIC VI Antioch 52b


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Anonymous pagan civic coinage
Christian persecution under Maximinus II
ca. A.D. 312
AE quarter nummus 15x16mm 2.0g
GENIO ANTIOCHENI; Statue of the Tyche of Antioch on rock, below the river god Orontes.
APOLLONI SANCTO; Apollo, stg.l. holding patera and lyre, in right field epsilon over delta
In ex. SMA
Mint of Antioch
Vagi 2954; Van Heesch 3a




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Constantine I
A.D. 327- 328
AE nummus 19mm 3.1g
CONSTAN-TINVS AVG; diademed head right.
PROVIDEN-TIAE AVGG; campgate, two turrets, no doors, star above; delta epsilon across fields.
In ex. SMANT
RIC VII Antioch 78



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VRBS ROMA
A.D. 330- 333
AE nummus 18mm 2.5g
VRBS ROMA; Roma, helmeted, wearing imperial cloak.
Rev. She-wolf left with twins (Romulus and Remus); above, two stars.
In ex. SMANT delta epsilon
RIC VII Antioch -
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Very interesting, Victor! Thank you for the education and for sharing your beautiful coins.
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Victor, this is a very interesting history, and thank you for sharing your coins with us.
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A very interesting and informative post. Thanks for sharing.
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Here are some additional examples to supplement the post by Victor above with some additional examples.

On some coins the fields can become quite cluttered and so familiarisation of what the issue marks are for a coin are required to determine what the officina marks are....

Maximianus - Follis

Obv:- IMP C M A MAXIMIANVS P F AVG, Laureate bust right
Rev:- GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left holding patera and cornucopia
Minted in Antioch (D / K | E / V // ANT). A.D. 300-301
Reference:- RIC VI Antioch 54a

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Another example of E over D

Maximinus II Daia - Follis

Obv:- IMP C GAL VAL MAXIMINVS P F AVG, Laureate head right
Rev:- GENIO AVGVSTI, Genius standing left, modius on head, naked but for chlamys at waist, left hand holding cornucopiae and right hand holding head of Sol
Minted in Antioch (* | E/D / ANT). A.D. 312
Reference(s) - RIC VI Antioch 164b

Flan flaw on eye of bust on obverse otherwise a pleasing example

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By the time we get to FEL TEMPs they start to use Theta

Constantius II - AE2

Obv:- D N CONSTANTIVS P F AVG, Pearl diademed, draped & cuirassed bust right
Rev:- FEL TEMP REPARATIO, Helmeted soldier to left, shield on left arm, spearing falling horseman; shield on ground at right. Horseman is bearded and falls forward reachine towards emperor (type FH3)
Minted in Antioch (G | _ //AN Theta).
Reference:- RIC VIII Antioch 132

Weight 5.12g. 25.32mm. 0 degrees

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I just won this Helena with desert patina from the "death" workshop


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Helena
A.D. 328- 329
AE Nummus 20mm 2.7g
FL HELENA AVGVSTA; diademed and draped bust right.
SECVRITAS REIPVBLICE; Securitas standing left, lowering branch, raising robe with right hand; wreath in left, delta epsilon in right field.
In ex. dot SMANT
RIC VII Antioch 82
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I just won this Helena with desert patina from the "death" workshop


Nice examples!
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Here's a rarer "death workshop" from Diocletian shortly after he claimed the title of Augustus.


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Diocletian
A.D. 284
AE Antoninianus 21mm 4.2g
IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG; Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
VICTORIA AVG; emperor standing left holding globe and scepter, receiving wreath from Victory standing right; in center epsilon delta
In ex. XXI
RIC Vii Antioch 326
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In a numeral system like Greek, where letters of the alphabet are used to represent numbers, the accidental formation of certain unfortunate words when attempting to write numbers is inevitable. Likewise in the Hebrew numeral system, certain dates and numbers are carefully re-written in this same way, to avoid spelling out unfortunate words.

The Greeks eventually circumvented this problem by initially using an overscore to differentiate number-numerals, then in more modern times inventing the keraia, or "horn" - a small ditto-mark, not unlike a single-quote or apostrophe ' inserted at the end of a number-word, to announce to everyone that "this is a number, not a word".
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Thank you, Victor, maridnvm, and Sap for a very informative thread with excellent examples
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Here's a rarer "death workshop" from Diocletian shortly after he claimed the title of Augustus.
Very nice!

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In a numeral system like Greek, where letters of the alphabet are used to represent numbers, the accidental formation...
And very interesting.
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