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1786 Mexico 8 Reales - Genuine Or Restrike?

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 Posted 02/26/2026  11:56 am Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The weight is 26.92 grams and I confirmed with a Sigma that it is silver. I'm curious if this is a genuine example or a restrike.

I'll work on getting better photos if need be.

1786-Mexico-8-Reales---Genuine-Or-Restrike?
1786-Mexico-8-Reales---Genuine-Or-Restrike?
1786-Mexico-8-Reales---Genuine-Or-Restrike?
1786-Mexico-8-Reales---Genuine-Or-Restrike?
1786-Mexico-8-Reales---Genuine-Or-Restrike?
1786-Mexico-8-Reales---Genuine-Or-Restrike?
1786-Mexico-8-Reales---Genuine-Or-Restrike?
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Looks good to me. By the way, your coin was minted in Lima, Peru: https://en.numista.com/46614
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Edge photo #1 shows a clear overlap of the design, however edge photo #3, very close to 180 degrees opposite, should have a corresponding overlap, but I don't see one. You might find it on closer examination. Without both edge design overlaps present, it's more likely a restrike since a regal standard parallel edging machine was not used.
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close to 180 degrees opposite, should have a corresponding overlap


Under closer inspection with a loop there is not a 2nd overlap. It's a consistent circle square circle pattern. Is that always 100% the case for these to confirm it's a restrike?


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it's more likely a restrike


If so how does that affect the value. Tempted to send it to be graded just in case but I don't want to waste the funds and time if it's just worth the melt value.
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Spanish colonial blanks were upset and had their edge design impressed using a parallel edging machine. Such devices always impress a design of equal length on opposite sides as the blank is rotated through the device. To avoid leaving a gap in the design, the operator typically slightly over-rotated the blank causing the overlaps of the edge design. The mechanical nature of such a machine (see Castaing machine in Wikipedia) would always cause the overlaps to be the same length and directly opposite of each other. The blanks were always upset/edged before striking in an uncollared screw press. This example looks like it might have been edged after the striking. One thing about the restrikes intended for trade with China, they are typically seen with the Mo mintmark as these were much favored over any others.

Many of the groups that made the most convincing restrikes, circa late 1800s through the early 1900s, clearly used uncollared screw presses but used a different type of edging machine.

Some of us use the term "market acceptable" for coins like these because so few sellers and buyers will spend the time to learn how to distinguish regal from restrike. The TPGs will not spend the time to look for these details (if the reviewers even are aware of them) for a coin that is not a very valuable variety. We hope they will weigh and do a quick XRF on the valuable ones.
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I should have included that I was paraphrasing Bob Gurney aka swamperbob based on his excellent book and many informative posts here on Coin Community.
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