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1795 Birmingham? 1-Penny "Industry Sure Has It's Rewards"

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I'm trying to find out value / catalog number (if there is one) for a 1-penny coin from 1795. It's worn-smooth, but I need the information to catalog the coin. I believe it's from Birmingham, but I could be wrong.

Any information would be helpful.. Thank YOU

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Looks like one of the many Conder Tokens , identify the crest and youll have the city.Look for writing around the edge.Probably too worn but possible some remained.
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thank you for the information
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I just realized it says payable in London on the edge, thank you again
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Aha ..that will help my investigation , I've a bit of a liking for these tokens and study them , I havnt seen this one.
Ill see if I can help.



The motto "industry sure has its reward" is quite a commen theme on Conders , you'll maybe find this link interesting.Your token might be among them , you will see that motto and get the hang of what to look forhttp://www.coinsandstamps.com/forei...edfordsh.htm

Meanwhile ill see if I can track it down
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thank you.......I can't find anymore visible words that I can currently help you with...I can't seem to recognize the city crest, even with the aid of the internet

the link is interesting too...things are starting to make sense with my new-liking interest for these token
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Here you see a similar reverse , the same motto , only the design of the obverse is changed.I have many with city crests but I do not recoqnise that one.Its 100% certain that what you have is a conder token though so we are making progress.

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What would be your best guess if you were to identify what those shapes on the crest are please ?That will identify it for us I think.
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yes, this it's very similar except for the obverse...I wish I had more background knowledge on these coins, but I guess there is always a starting point. I was also trying to figure out what kind of animal was on the crest, so I could fine the city crest....maybe it's a boar? hedgehog? no clue......progress has def. been made :)
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Coincidently I began collecting these when I came to this site looking for info on a glasgow conder token , since then I've accumulated several and always look for them.
I didnt want to suggest what animal I thought but I agree its a boar,commen on british heraldic devices.
Its a pig or a boar , we see the industry has its sure reward on the token with a beehive , why not pigs , same deal , its maybe not a city crest but an employers crest..maybe.

Ive since upgraded my glasgow token to this beauty , we see Glasgows crest.Its similar for Edinburgh and Liverpool and other cities,but also employers used their crest just to make it confusing.

May I ask why you thought perhaps Birmingham ? Any clue at this point is useful.What I find odd but in a good way is I've searched almost all my conder sites using the industry has its sure reward as a search , it gives me an impressive list , but yours is not on it.Thats a good thing , there are still unknowns out there.
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very interesting dealing with the glasgow token...it is a beauty. We at least you have confirmed that it is indeed a pig. Employers token sounds interesting, I didn't realize the U.K. did that at the time, but then again I should have assumed so.

The reason I said Birmingham: I bought the coin a couple years ago at a gun store in Mississippi...The coin was cased up (rather old looking, the staples were rusted)...the only words on the case were "1795" and "Birmingham"....but then again, someone might have made a wild guess...I couldn't find anything that looked like the token from Birmingham (but also, my resources are lacking in this field)....by the way, I paid .20 cents for it at the gun store, maybe it was a good buy
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Its without doubt a good snag at 20c , I would bet that the label was correct, we have to assume so initially.
Its late now but I promise ill look into this tomorrow , gnite

Yep , Britain made these during times of small change shortage just as the US did during the civil war for the same reason.
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Alright, thank you so much again...and thanks for the educational information...I'm 21 now, and I've been studying coins for only the past couple years, goodnight
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You are very welcome , I have a bit of a do to attend this afternoon , I wont stay long.When I get back we'll track down your Conder
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alright then sounds good!
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Good evening , you know..ive been kinda silly , what we need to do is get your picture over into the tokens forum or ID forum.It didnt dawn on me til now we are in the UK section.
What I've found out so far is it is almost certainly a Birmingham Token,99.9 positive.
Ive found another example of a token bearing the same crest but no Britannia.

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If we go along with other peoples tagging that this is a Birmingham token then yours is too which tallys with the original sale.
So it is likely to be Birmingham.If I could find a coat of arms for Birmingham that looked even vaguely like that one id say its Birmingham.


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Im thinking when they say Birmingham..maybe they dont mean the city..many Earls and Lords had conders struck in their name too.
Ill find that one yet,we really should post your pic in the tokens forum though , I got a lot of help in there , lots of experts , I'm just a keen novice.
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