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Why Is This 1964 Roosevent Dime MS-60?

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Would someone explain to me why this dime is MS60?

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Well there's quite a few nicks and hits on it. That's probably why it was graded MS-60. If the reverse is the same, then I think it's right.
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Well there's quite a few nicks and hits on it. That's probably why it was graded MS-60. If the reverse is the same, then I think it's right.



The flat areas between the hairlines are not wear?
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The flat areas between the hairlines are not wear?


Well first - you never said who graded it MS60! And there are weak strikes and die wear that could account for the MS grade.

EDIT: AND you didn't show a reverse picture.
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The flat areas between the hairlines are not wear?


I guess not. Maybe it's from being weakly struck? Maybe the flat areas between the hairlines didn't strike up fully?
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Is this your coin?
Who graded it MS60?
How would you grade it?
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This photo is from PCGS Photograde @ MS60

I would not have given MS

Trying to understand why?

The flat spots in hair looks like wear, not weak strike to me.
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I'm trying to figure out why someone would submit this dime to PCGS.

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I'm trying to figure out why someone would submit this dime to PCGS

No kidding - what a waste of money. Unless it was in a multi coin lot submitted to an auction house and had to be graded for auctioning.
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Really interested in seeing the reverse.
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Can't add photos from my phone but here is the link


https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Roosevelt/Grades
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Can't add photos from my phone but here is the link
https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Roosevelt/Grades

Oh, so this isn't an actual graded coin - just a hypothetical grading example.
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It's not an MS coin.
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Thanks everyone. We had storms and no internet or cell till now!

I could not understand how the coin could be MS. While 1964 Dimes lack highly distinct hairlines, the significant blank spots in the hair suggested wear to me. The idea of grease in those areas is a reach, I think. I just don't quite understand if the difference between the hair lines of this coin and MS68 (https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1964-10c/5128) is simply a strike difference or because of wear. My grading skills lack that kind of sophistication!

I am thinking that the main idea of MS60 is identifying a coin without wear, and trusting (for a moment!) PCGS, the implication is that the difference is strike related and not wear related, so the coin would deserve MS60 - eye appeal being a non-issue at this level! The issue with L would then be viewed as a bag mark.

I would welcome any thought-through responses of where I have gone off the rails!
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keep in mind that there are 4 components to grading

1. surface preservation
2. luster
3. eye appeal
4. Strike

PCGS determined that the coin was UNC. from there they had really only 3 choices based on MS60, 61, 62. the coin would not be any higher than that based on this photos.

luster is below average
eye appeal is low due to the surfaces
surface preservation is about as low as you can get, discoloration and scuffs.
reverse looks like a later die state so it looks like a weaker strike

they would have eliminated MS62 as a grade leaving 60 or 61. it could have went either way imo. there is nothing to compare it to as PCGS does not have a MS61 example posted. but I would think this is about the lowest possible MS grade a coin could receive
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