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1945-S 25c MMS-004 Ball Serif S MS 66 Variety

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 Posted 05/18/2026  10:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bornage to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've been unsure what to make of this coin ever since my 1945-S 25c ANACS variety submission returned as "MMS-004 Ball Serif S", so I'm soliciting input.

Cert# 7620924

Has anyone else had a 1945-S Washington quarter attributed as Ball Serif S by ANACS or any other TPG?

Wexler documented the Ball Serif S on 1946-S Lincoln cents and studied 1945-S Washington quarter doubled dies — but specifically noted those carried the Trumpet Tail S, not the Ball Serif S

No FS number exists in the Cherrypicker's Guide for Ball Serif S on any Washington quarter date

CONECA's DDR-001 listing notes MMS-004 as a reverse marker for that variety — implying it was observed but never formally catalogued as a standalone variety

Has anyone in the Washington quarter variety community formally researched or documented the Ball Serif S punch on quarters?
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Nothing unusual here that I know of, there were two mm styles for this year, but others will be by to reply.

VV link. http://varietyvista.com/09b%20WQ%20...20Styles.htm
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Right, but any idea why the ANACS population report shows zero rows for this variety despite it being a documented style?
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The ball S or knob S mint mark seems to be the predominant punch on 1945-S quarters. I imagine that it's regarded as the default by the TPGs. For example, there probably aren't many slabs that attribute a 1941 Small-S nickel. That's the common type, where the Large S is the exception.

However, If you requested variety attribution, then I guess they will put just about any specific detail on the slab. Depending on how they tag that in their database, that might produce a sub-population of one coin. Obviously, many or even most of the 400+ quarters graded for 1945-S will have a ball-S mint mark.
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The one you want to look for is the inverted S. They are quite rare but I have managed to find a few of them in mint state. http://varietyvista.com/09b%20WQ%20...5SIMM001.htm
My guess is that the ball S is so common that there is no reason to label them.
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