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United States
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When I go to the doctor (too often and too many different ones at my age) I see signs saying no cash payments. I am also seeing "no cash" signs at more and more stores.This makes perfect sense for businesses who don't have to do bank runs or account for cash receipts. It is also my preferred method of payment everywhere and I only carry cash if I am dealing with the small amount of people (taxi drivers whose credit card machines never work or service people helping me do things around the house). U.S. paper currency, however, states that it is legal tender for all debts public and private. There are many people, for example low income people, who cash their paychecks and drug dealers who I assume, but don't personally know, want good payment and perhaps untraceable payments for their sales. Also included would be swap meet and private people selling used Items of value they don't want any more who don't have credit card machines. I can see how this would be legal as goods sales and the provision of services requires a contract or agreement, I will sell you this, or provide you with that service, but only if you pay cash. Other business transactions are conditioned on certified funds or wire transfers. These transactions don't create debts because payment is made instantaneously. Billing later would create a debt, however. So, in our current world, does the all debts, public and private provision mean anything any more? Should it be interpreted as requiring acceptance of tendered cash? I can see arguments both ways, particularly for poorer people who need goods and services. Please, let's not get into the political argument of how illegal aliens who provide services and are paid for them have a right to expect their cash to be accepted. This isn't the forum for that. Instead, what do you think about the right to use legal tender for goods or services received?
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This ties in with the whole discussion of what, exactly, it means for something to be "legal tender".
In the United States - and, indeed, in most of the rest of the world too - using cash isn't a "right", it's a privilege. The Legal Tender clauses in the law don't activate unless under very specific circumstances.
If you are going into the shop and buying something, it doesn't apply - no "debt" is incurred, because you haven't actually bought anything yet; the things in your shopping cart don't legally become "yours" until after you've paid for them. And no-one in those circumstances is legally compelled to accept anything in exchange for goods or services, though "good customer service" would dictate that adequate signage be in place at the door advising people of any such restrictions, so that people are aware of the restrictions before they attempt to purchase.
If it's one of the limited circumstances where it's an actual debt incurred - such as, for example, going into one of those restaurants where you don't pay for the food up-front but rather you pay after the meal is concluded - but they have a "condition of entry" sign up on the door and which you consent to agree to by continuing to order food on those premises and included in those conditions is something like "cash is not accepted in payment" - then, likewise, the legal tender clause does not apply - because you have implicitly or explicitly already agreed to not pay in cash before you ordered.
The legal tender clause only comes into effect when a debt is incurred, and there is no previously arranged method of payment, and you attempt to pay with a legal tender, and that payment is rejected. In such circumstances, the seller cannot then take legal action to recover the debt (such as taking you to court for failing to pay your debt), as a legal tender of that debt has already been made and was refused.
Under the law as it now stands, there is no compulsion on anyone to accept cash, for anything, except under those limited circumstances.
Now, we're all free to argue that the law ought to (or ought not to) be changed to include some kind of compulsory acceptance clause. But that, to me, is a separate discussion. Just be aware, if considering such a move, this would place the United States in the small minority of countries where this is true. France, Belgium, some parts of Switzerland, and China, for example, all have such laws in place; other countries place proscriptions against certain types of cash transactions being refused, or set cash limits on legal tender amounts, or set certain times of day when cash must become acceptable.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
United States
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Hmm, I guess I need to get out more. I have never seen a case where cash was not accepted, even though I have been largely cashless myself for a few decades. Maybe that fact has blinded me to some change that is occurring?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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There are many valid business reasons for not wanting to accept cash. The more paper currency accumulates, the higher the danger of armed robbery and employee theft. Digital transactions are traceable, and that includes populating more easily into accounting software. Refusing cash also removes the need for employees to be adequate at basic math, which is increasingly a staffing challenge.
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Valued Member
United States
450 Posts |
Quote: Refusing cash also removes the need for employees to be adequate at basic math, which is increasingly a staffing challenge. Come on, don't deprive us of the baffled expression on a 20-something cashier when confronted with a handful of Kennedy Halfs. :^) Just for fun, and partially prompted by this thread, I think I'll pass some 3rd tier Ike dollars and Kennedy Halfs. Just for shoots and giggles.
Edited by Vector Ze 05/24/2026 12:49 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I used to use cash a lot. Now I mostly use my debit card but still prefer cash in a several instances. When the wife and I go out to eat I prefer paying with cash, don't want to give my card to a waiter to pay, they could steal the card info. This has happened to people. Several restauants where I live have started charging a fee for using cards like coin dealers do, why pay that when it's cheaper to use cash. I know several people that have been scammed at gas pumps. I often use cash when buying gas, don't mind going inside to pay. When I go to estate sales, farmers market, buy something to eat at food trucks etc I prefer using cash, don't trust the businesses to protect my card info.
Where I live the sports/performing arts venues no longer accept cash, you have to pay with cards. So it must be legal for them not to accept cash.
Edited by livingwater 05/24/2026 09:11 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Come on, don't deprive us of the baffled expression on a 20-something cashier when confronted with a handful of Kennedy Halfs I once had a Walmart cashier have to go get her manager to show her how to count half dollars.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
6448 Posts |
One year at the Wendy's drive thru, I had a bill of $5.78. So I gave the kid at the window $6.03. He carefully slid the 3¢ off the bills, handed it back to me, and let the automatic change dispenser spit out 22¢ in change.
Now I just tap my card.
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 United States
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just walk into a shop that wont take cash, wave a $100.00 bill and say "Too bad you don't take cash".
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Should Businesses Be Able To Reject Cash Payments? Short answer: Yes. Which is the same as if they want to be "Cash Only." Long answer: This is not the venue for me to share it. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Most won't care Dearborn.
They don't have enough cash in the drawer to make change. Store rules call for a drop into the safe where there is a modest value in the drawer to make the store less attractive for theft, etc.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Valued Member
United States
372 Posts |
Why Do Most Merchants Do Not Accept ( Zell for Payment )
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
10470 Posts |
Quote: just walk into a shop that wont take cash, wave a $100.00 bill A few years ago I ordered at the McDonalds drive through and even though my bill came to $55 they would NOT accept a $100 bill. I drove away and that was the last time I ever went to a McDonalds.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Online vendors get away with not accepting cash.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4587 Posts |
Quote: A few years ago I ordered at the McDonalds drive through and even though my bill came to $55 they would NOT accept a $100 bill. I drove away and that was the last time I ever went to a McDonalds. And clearly, without your business, they've closed up. Accepting cash is a business risk. Has to be stored, deposited in the bank, or picked up by an armored car service, etc. Higher-denomination bills are more frequently counterfeit and thus pose a greater risk to the business. etc. Every business is free to decide where they want to sit on the risk/reward scale.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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 United States
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Quote: Every business is free to decide where they want to sit on the risk/reward scale. Correct.  You want free market capitalism? You gotta take the good with the bad, even when what is good or bad is subjective to you. (A hint at the long answer I am trying to avoid.)
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