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Help To Find A Provenience For This Didrachm From Velia

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 Posted 05/28/2026  6:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ancient67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,
This is my last purchase, a didrachm from Velia (Lucania). I noticed afterward that many exemplars of this type are in bad condition, very worn. So that it would be possible to trace that exemplar to find a provenience (the seller did not give any). I tried without success. But perhaps I didn't look in the right database. Any help would be much appreciated!
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 Posted 05/28/2026  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a nice coin! Many ancient coin books have been published the last 150 years or so. Thousands of ancient coin auctions have been done with either printed or online catalogues. The major musuems around the world have collections, some have coin searches on their sites. Some of the old out of print ancient coin books can be found online. Libraries may have ancient coins reference books.

Here's a few online sites you could search: acsearch.info, Wildwinds, CNG closed auctions, Numista, sixbid completed auctions etc.

It is difficult or maybe impossible to find the provenance of an ancient coin. Most of the time records were not kept. It's fun to own an ancient coin that has absolute provenance from a hoard find for example or has some history in past auctions.
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 Posted 05/28/2026  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Empty_Pockets to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coin.
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 Posted 05/29/2026  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancient67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Livingwater. Yes, I already tried Sixbid . Acsearch and CNG. I will try the other two.
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 Posted 05/29/2026  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another reference site not yet mentioned is CoinArchives. I've just ran a search for Velia didrachms there; 52 matches, one of which is the same variety as yours (with the deer and pouncing lion facing left, rather than the more common right-facing). That example, from a Japanese coin auction in December, is more worn than this one and is also NGC-slabbed. The little graffiti-marks on the reverse of your coin would be a tell-tale indicator, if the photography of past sale catalogues was any good.

CoinArchives used to be a much better resource when it was completely free. Now, only the last six months worth of international auctions are free, to access their full database costs US$600 per year.

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It is difficult or maybe impossible to find the provenance of an ancient coin. Most of the time records were not kept. It's fun to own an ancient coin that has absolute provenance from a hoard find for example or has some history in past auctions.

While I personally prefer it when I have a full history of a coin from discovery all the way to me, I only have this information for two of my 800 ancient and mediaeval coins. I have some auction/sale history for only a couple more. For the vast majority of them, my provenance goes back no further than "I bought it from that coin dealer".

And the unfortunate reason why this is often true is that many of our coins may not have been obtained through fully legal means. In most countries that are host to the ruins of ancient civilizations, buying and selling of ancient coins is either strictly controlled (eg Italy) or outright forbidden (eg Greece). People who find ancient coins in these countries have to choose to either do the right thing by their own country's laws and hand over their finds to their government for little to no reward, or illegally smuggle the coins out of the country to another country where the selling of such coins isn't illegal. Needless to say, when coins are smuggled like this, their history prior to that point is lost - especially as some countries have sought to reclaim and repatriate coins they believe were illegally stolen, so in many cases the original providence is deliberately obscured and destroyed.
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 Posted 05/31/2026  05:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikev50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very nice--vcoins.com have some on their site--
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 Posted 05/31/2026  10:39 am  Show Profile   Check Victor's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Victor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have an acsearch membership which lets you do 5 image searches per day for free; but nothing matched this coin.
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 Posted 06/02/2026  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancient67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your search, Victor! Well, I will remain with my lack of knowledge on this!
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