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Definitive Test For Henning Nickel?

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 Posted 09/19/2009  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tepritts to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great topic and lots of interesting information. Just one stupid question: What do you call a Chinese Copy of a Henning Nickel?

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 Posted 09/20/2009  07:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinseeker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A Hennyang?
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Thanks pyrbob for the detailed reply ..... we all appreciate your input since it seems like you have the most Henning's.

Soooo ... to summarize to this point ...

1. The possible Henning dates are '39, '44, '46', '47 and '53
2. The 1944 is obvious since it lacks the large mint mark
3. The hole at the bottom of the "R" in "Pluribus" is a definite indicator of a Henning.
4. Weight alone can not be used as an indicator .... pyrbob reports a range of 4.7 grams to 5.4 grams for his Henning.
5. Henning lack detail and often lack full rims.
6. The Henning surfaces look porus.
7. Some Henning have raised dots 'pimples' inside the "M" of "UNUM"

What did I miss?

Who else can add to this?

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 Posted 09/20/2009  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think we should dismiss the possibility that any Jefferson dated before Henning's arrest could be the sixth. It is reported he made these in the year 1954.

On the other hand, might it be possible that the 6 th Henning that has not been yet found but believed to exist might be just another 1944 with a different pair of dies.
( With hole in R and without hole? )
If somebody does find a different date than those we know about, I hope it happens here first. It would be quite the find.
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 Posted 09/20/2009  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wheezy, you make a good point. The sixth Henning could be another die of one of the five known dates. Because of the abundance of 1944's, this date would make the most sense. But don't confuse the obverse dies with the reverse dies. We are looking for the sixth obverse die. It doesn't matter which reverse die it is matched up with. It's just by identifying the reverse without the hole in the R gives us a better chance of finding the other dates (if this reverse die is paired with the other dates).
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 Posted 09/23/2009  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think we can completely forget about using weight as a way of looking for Henning's or genuine coins struck on Henning blanks. I think everyone has been looking at the official weight of a genuine coin being 5 grams and they have been forgetting that even the mint has a tolerance range on that 5 gram weight. And it is a pretty big tolerance, .194 grams. That means that a genuine US Mint made five cent piece can weigh anywhere between 4.8 and 5.2 grams and still be considered the correct weight. And even with the US Mint you will find some genuine coins a little above or below tolerance. This means that the genuine and the Henning nickels actually fall into almost exactly the same weight ranges.

The Dwight Stuckey book is a good one, I'm lucky enough to have a copy. Don't know where it is right now. Last time I remember seeing it it was on the dining room table....maybe under the table.
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I have a nickel with out the mint mark and I'm wondering if it could be a Hennings nickel. It weights 5.2 and is a little worn, also there's no mark in the 'R'.

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rock on dude!
Looks like it came from the same die mine did. Henning? We really don't know for sure but I suspect it is since there were different reverse dies.
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That is one poorly struck nickel. What year is it? 44?
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Quote:
That is one poorly struck nickel. What year is it? 44?

That's correct.
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I have to say 'yes indeed' ..... from what we have all learned the defintive Henning is the 1944 war nickle without the mint mark.

Congratulations ..... I hope to find one someday

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I hope to find one someday

You will nickelsearcher, I just know it.
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Rock On Rockdude!

I would say 99% chance a Henning; any 1944 Jeffersons with no MM pretty much have to be one.
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