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This section deals with coins from SIBERIA. Siberia was home to many nomadic tribes, and in the 13th century came under the occupation of the Mongols. When the Golden Horde disbanded, the Siberian Khanate was established in the 14th century. As Russia gained power, it started to expand it's influence east of the Ural Mountains by sending in traders and Cossacks into region. Eventually Russian troops set up forts and outpost further eastward. Eventually, the Siberian Khanate was toppled. By the 16th century, Russia's control extended to the Pacific coast. In the Tartar languange, 'Siber' translates roughly into 'The Sleeping Land' thus the name Siberia. During the reign of Ekaterina Romanov II, a mining colony was set up in the Altai Mountains. Due to a shortage of coins, a mint was set up Kolyvan to strike coins for the region. Coins were struck as early as 1763 up till 1781. Coins were issued in denominations of Poloushkas (1/4 Kopek), Dengas (1/2 Kopek), 1,2,5 and 10 Kopeks. All denominations excluding the Poloushka contain the regional arms bearing a crowned shield with the respective denomination written in Cyrillic supported by two sables, and 'SIBERIAN MONEY' written in Cyrillic legend along the rim. on the obverse. The reverse shows Ekaterina's stylised seal in the center with crown and wreath and the intials K/M for the Kolyvan mint.  SIBERIA~1 Kopek 1771 SIBERIA~2 Kopek 1769 SIBERIA~5 Kopek 1767 SIBERIA~10 Kopek 1777Edited by DJB1968
12/24/2009 11:21 am
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Very interesting (and scarce) coins! Thanks for sharing!
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Thanks 'Archraz'. These are rather scarce. Curiously, the Denga (1/2 Kopek) and Polushka (1/4 Kopek) coins are even rarer yet. Most of the ones you do find, look like they've been run over by a bus, or soaked in acid. Higher grade specimens, when found, command a rather hefty price. Still, I keep my eye out.
~Daniel
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Very interesting coins. If I'm correct, the Russians produced restrikes called "novodels" of at least some of them?
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Thanks 'DL20K'. Yes there are 'Novodels' of these in all the denominations, and they command a higher price than the originals. I was told by a friend, who happens to be a coin dealer, that there's a difference between 'Restrikes' and 'Novodels'. Restrikes are coins made with the original dies, where as Novodels are coins struck with dies made to look like the original pattern, but are not struck with the original dies. Anyone is free to correct me if I'm wrong on any or all of these points.
~Daniel
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12/24/2009 5:11 pm
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That's good to know! When were the novodels made and why do they command higher prices? I've heard about them being more expensive than the originals but why is it so?
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Good question 'DL20K'. I think the novodels were struck in the early 1800's. As for why they command a higher price, I'm not absolutely certain. It might be because they're usually a higher quality than the originals. I've never seen any in person, but some of the photos I've viewed showed very sharp detail with high luster. Many original coins have strike errors such as poor centering or uneven details. Other problems include flan flaws (see the 5 and 10 Kopek images) and die defects which were common in those days. From what I've seen, none of these flaws are present on novodel issues. I've seen some ugly fakes on ebay that are being sold as novodels especially specimens dating from 1764 which are next to impossible to aquire the genuine article of. ~Daniel Edited by DJB1968
12/24/2009 7:15 pm
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Very nice rare coins, thanks for sharing.
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Good post and nice pieces!
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I've had one of these on my hit list for a long time, but like you said, good examples are hard to find. Thanks for sharing these and the other eastern European coins that you've been posting. You definitely have a unique area of expertise.
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Fascinating writeup on these coins!  I find it interesting how the denomination is spelled out, without a numeral--a tradition perhaps? |
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DL20K: Quote:
If I'm correct, the Russians produced restrikes called "novodels" of at least some of them?
When were the novodels made and why do they command higher prices? DJB1968: Quote:
As for why they command a higher price, I'm not absolutely certain. It might be because they're usually a higher quality than the originals. The literal translation of the word "novodel" would be something like "newly made". As DJB pointed out they did make better quality coins with newly made dies copied off the older specimens. Rich collectors would have to sponsor the affair. The reason that novodels are still valued numismatically is that they were struck at and by official mints. |
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I have a 5 kopek. cant find much about or it worth. I have found out that it is rare thank you for helping me
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Hi 'deh1952', welcome aboard. If you can post an image of your coin, I'd love to see it. What date is it? Usually any Siberian coins before 1768 and after 1778, get even tougher to find and thus command a higher price. Krause's catalog is really the only readily available price guide for coins dating from this period. The problem is, their prices are very outdated, and show prices much lower than what these coins would go for today on the market. Still, it's better than nothing.
~Daniel
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I hope these pitchers are ok for you the date is hard to see but I think it is a 1767 or 64 looks more like a 7 I tried to post a pitcher but would not do it for me. said I had to much. if you could send me a email I could send it to you.
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i have this coin and I have been told that it looked like Siberian also. Is it correct?   |
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