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 Posted 08/24/2020  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting thread. I do like comemmoratives however I think the problems Collector28 mentions are the same in Australia as well. Been chasing the 2020 Qantas $1 coin. Meant for circulation but apparently only available as of February at RAM coin swaps. Loads available on E-bay at 3x face value. How does that make it a "circulating coin" if only given out to collectors (and investors)? Also the 2020 $2 75 years WW2. Two million minted but most rolls seem to have landed with E-bayers selling for profit.
Anyway, I recently acquired some UK loose shrapneland among them was Paddington at the station which I thought was adorable so looked into some more of the Brit coinage. Any commemoratives selling in Oz have OTT prices and it seems I will have next to no chance of getting them from UK sellers without costing and arm and a torso.
PS Also think the RAM has lost the plot with the number of special issue NCCs.
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 Posted 08/29/2020  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

There having been some talk of unusual 50p coins on the forum again recently I thought I might post one.
Found in change 30+ years ago.

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 Posted 08/30/2020  06:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

And this, again pulled from change 30+ years ago.
If you consider how small a pound coin is, that incuse 'R4' is so tiny as to be almost unnoticeable. Odd.
Any thoughts?
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 Posted 08/30/2020  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector28 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting pound, Hogarth! Possibly some engraver honing their skills?

I got my first Sarah John £10 today, anyone else seen them?
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 Posted 08/30/2020  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it's engraved, it's too deep and perfectly formed for something rendered freehand. It looks punched. Also, why would someone, practising their engraving skills, choose to write no more than 'R4', one letter, one number, each a millimetre or so high, on a pound coin?
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 Posted 08/31/2020  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector28 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haven't a clue, Hogarth, was just a suggestion you know...no need to rebuff it so brashly.
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 Posted 08/31/2020  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heavens, sorry, that wasn't the intention at all! I thank you 100% for your reply.
I just wanted to add a few thoughts to the mix so as to possibly widen the conversation. I've not seen anything similar since finding it in my change and, even after 30 years, I've not been able to come up with a logical reason why this pound coin would have 'R4' stamped on it in letters/numbers no larger than a pin head. It certainly is a mystery.

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 Posted 09/01/2020  06:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector28 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No worries, Hogarth, I probably just overreacted a bit - was under some stress the other day from unrelated things.

I tried googling it and found nothing really plausible, was wondering if any similar examples might exist but couldn't find any. It seems too small to have been somebody just fooling around and scratching it in, which led me to think microengraving.

R4 as an acronym doesn't really seem to provide anything meaningful either. It's a pity someone marked it because it's a rather nice coin otherwise (albeit obviously an extremely common date).

On that note, I got a 1992 10p at the amusements yesterday that was still like new - amusements turn up quite a lot of MS coins from older years (which makes sense, as a lot of coins spend ages in machines and are constantly recycled).
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 Posted 09/01/2020  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector28 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got my first Brexit 50p and Magna Carta £2 today, albeit not through finding them - late birthday present off a friend! Getting this means that I now have every circulating £2 design, which is a major milestone
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 Posted 09/01/2020  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well done!
Today I took delivery of a FDC 1974 proof set. As you probably know, there wasn't a currency 50p coin issued that year so people who collect the denomination are buying up the sets because the proof strike is the only version available and, consequently, they're increasing in value. Recently I've seen sets go for 40 to 50 pounds on ebay. I paid £7.30 for the full set in it's original sleeve.
Happy days...
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 Posted 09/01/2020  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector28 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not bad at all! I stumbled across your banknote video the other day...absolutely awesome! You've quite the impressive collection (was most fished from circulation?)
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 Posted 09/01/2020  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Banknotes? No, that's not me.
My main area of interest is English early milled copper and silver (with a little hammered on the side).
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 Posted 09/01/2020  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the subject of the 1974 50p - yes the prices of the sets have gone crazy lately, largely because Westminster coins did a Newspaper ad offering them at a high price and giving the spiel about them being rare and only in proof set. This is true, however something like 100,000 sets issued, is not that rare and for ages they have sold consistently around the £10 mark.

Even more silly is that the 50ps for many other years are also "set only" issues, but the prices for these years have not changed. People have fallen for the hype yet again!

For info, as far as I am aware all these years are Set only 50ps:
1971, 1972, 1974, 1975 1984, 1986 to 1991, 1993 (ordinary design), 1995 and 1996. (In 1993 there was also the EU presidency 50p, which was circulation as well as sets and is much scarcer!)
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 Posted 09/01/2020  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Absolutely right Paddy.
Any thoughts on the minuscule 'R4' punched into the obverse field of that pound coin?
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 Posted 09/01/2020  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the R4 - my thought would be that it was someone using the £1 as a test piece of metal. The R4 punch was probably for stamping something else altogether - watch parts? Small tools? Medical equipment? In receipt of a new punch the user wanted to check it worked ok and grabbed a £1 from his pocket for want of anything else...
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