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What Are These? No.3 (Id: Byzantine Trachy And Others)

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This should be my final lot of unknown coins, only two of them. Would be very grateful if somebody could help me identify them.

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ancient Greek?
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i know schmidty could tell
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The third and fourth look Byzantine to me - #4 resembles one of my "cup" coins.
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The second coin is a Byzantine Trachy. Without any inscription is pretty much a guess, but the coin does resemble one issued under Manuel I Comnenus 1143-1180.
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I'd agree with the above with regards to the second coin being Byzantine though very difficult to say who exactly. Here is a coin of Constantine X with similer markings:

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The first coin could well be Greek but also resembles some of Ptolemy III or IVs coins from Egypt. Hopefully someone will be able to 100% ID them but it will be difficult as the condition is not great. Hopefully the fact that the bird is quite distinctive will help.
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I see where you are coming from, but the Manuel I Comnenus 1143-1180 Trachy depicts two people holding vines whereas mine on the other hand shows two holding a double cross a bit like this -I-I--
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The first one seems to have an eagle on it; I'd guess Ptolemaic Egypt.
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i agree with the predictions of the bird icon coin as the person who gave me the collection had a ptolemy iii coin that dates to 246BC.
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From what I understand, it is hard to tell which ruler without a lot of details because you have to count things like dots on the robes or exactly what is being held. I got this from the Sayles books I've read.
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There is a difference between the coin shown and the Constantine X, first the figure on the right is a saint holding a double bar cross with a round base. The Constantine X is holding a labrum on a stepped base. The obverse figure appears to be the Virgin Mary seated, on the Constantine X Christ is standing and is identified by IC-XC. Trachy coins are not the easiest to ID.
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