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 Posted 05/26/2010  11:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add splatto to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm hoping somebody can help me with the following questions

1. Was the 200 year anniversary of Quebec City toonie released to circulation, or was it only a commemorative issue?

2. Can anybody help me be able to tell the different between the 1996 German and Canadian planchets? The Canadian planchet is said to be "oily" (look or feel?) and the German one is said to have lines through the ring that are similar to that of a specimen finish. I have no idea what this means. Are there any other tips that I can follow?

2b. Finally, I've noticed that dropping toonies on the tile floor results in two different sounds. One has a metallic sort of "ting" sound, whereas the other sorta drops like a thud. Can this sound help me distinguish between the two legitimate planchets or is the thud coin the sound of a fake?

3. Has anybody else noticed the insanely low mintage (relatively speaking) of the 2009 polar bear toonie?
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 Posted 05/26/2010  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Quebec toonie was general circulation , released mainly in Quebec.
The German version looks more like a specimen coin from what I understand don't have one but what I read.
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 Posted 05/27/2010  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add splatto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks RE: Quebec toonie, I'll grab another 10 rolls tonight :)

I'm still not confident I can identify the German planchet on the toonie. I don't really understand the description Charlton gives for it.
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 Posted 05/27/2010  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Complementing MrCanada's reply - the 400 Quebec twoonie is a circulation coin. It was very very very hard to get it for some time(only the Caisse DesJardins had it, and was exchanging only 2 coins per client (here in Ottawa) and none for non-clients (and you could not pick them up - the teller pull it out for ya. At the CNA convention in July 08 I got the first rolls from the Mint and from September on the coins became easily available.

Charlton's description of the planchettes is mine. CCN published a short note on the German/Canadian planchettes, using MY coin as pic and the info I PROVIDED but "forgot" to put any reference to the source - meaning ME. They also "forgot" to publish my email correcting serious problems regarding twoonies on column written by a guy who only know pennies. I don't DARE to give opinions about a series of coins I don't know - that is why I only talk about twoonies

I am writing a paper with very good pictures and showing the differences between planchettes - it will be published at Moneta - the Ottawa Coin Club newsletter (at 12 bucks a year, you can't go wrong with this membership)http://www.ottawacoinclub.com/Home_Page.php

Now about the "odd sound twoonie". I even bought a couple at ebay. Friends sent me some examples. I have coins from 1996 to 1999 that claim to fit the category. I did all possible tests but a pro acoustic test. I can't see a difference. I can't measure a difference. And ... I can't hear the difference. I think it is the angle the coin hits the surface - because the twoonie is bimetallic there may be some reverberation or acoustic after-shock
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05/27/2010 11:44 am
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 Posted 05/27/2010  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin might vibrate at a slightly different frequency depending on the stress the outer ring is under. This may perhaps be accounted for in variations measured in nm of the inner core or how perfectly circular the hole it went into is.

Putting metal under tension to produce a different sound is a well known principle (think strings on a harp etc). It's not a big stretch to think the outer rim of a toonie may have varying degrees of stress on it depending on how much tension is created when inner and outer core meet. Even having that stress in different points on the planchet where there is more or less lettering could possibly account for audible differences.
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 Posted 06/10/2010  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add splatto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I seem to have forgotten about this topic.

t_y, thanks for your expertise. What issue will your article be published in?
I can definitely say that the odd sounding toonie is not because of the angle it fell at. I ended up dropping toonies on my tile kitchen floor for about an hour and a half. In 100 toonies, as many as 20 or so had an odd sound. Several were dropped dozens and dozens of times and the sound never once varied along the way.

Ugly - your suggestion of the vibrations throughout the coin caused by the inner core fit probably holds a lot of merit.


BTW: I did find a Quebec city toonie somewhere around roll 18 (MS-60ish or so)
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 Posted 06/10/2010  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If ty says something on a twoonie....take it to the bank! He is a true expert of the coin!! There are 2 counterfeit years 2004 and 2005. They sound really dumb when dropped......
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 Posted 06/10/2010  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add splatto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without exception, all of the strange sounding once I found were 1996.
Remember when you could pop the centre somewhat easily out of the first issues? I wonder if they could pop out easily because the tension wasn't as high between the core and the ring (see Ugly's post above). Perhaps when the later 1996 issues fixed the core problem by increasing tension between the parts, the resulting coins made the more metallic sound when dropped.

*shrug*
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 Posted 06/11/2010  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are really that interested a simple light-to-voltage converter, analogue to digital converter (or oscilloscope) built into a circuit and monitored on a computer could give you the actual vibrational frequency of different coins.

At some point, once you have a hypothesis you have to move beyond crude observation if you want more detail.
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 Posted 08/17/2010  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I am new to Canadian coins I, too, have a question about the Townie.

Why does it seem to me that it is so hard to find a 2003 one with the "new" or "uncrowned" effigy (on a certain very popular auction site ;) ). Mintage is supposed to be around 3 or 4 million.
So, I am speaking of the "normal" ones, not the ones with the mint mark, that were sold in a set (mintage around 75.000).
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 Posted 03/02/2012  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I came across this old post looking for information on a toonie error coin. This coin looks like the "1996 off center on german prefab planchet type" on this page (without the strike through grease area):
http://www.coinscan.com/err/prefab.html

But the coin in question is 2006 not 1996. Did the mint use prefab (German or not) planchets at this time? Any help would be much appreciated, thanks.



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 Posted 03/02/2012  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aarf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am writing a paper with very good pictures and showing the differences between planchettes - it will be published at Moneta - the Ottawa Coin Club newsletter (at 12 bucks a year, you can't go wrong with this membership)http://www.ottawacoinclub.com/Home_Page.php


I don't mean to change the subject, however, I went to check out a membership again and I think the site is down....got a bunch of coin ads etc. Not like it was in the past as it is still in my history!
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May be just a ring punched off centre (one of the 2 types of off centre twoonies). German planchets were only used in 1996.

Post picture please.
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 Posted 03/02/2012  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The paper will not happen.

I am looking for another venue to publish about twoonies. I am only replying to questions where the issue was already published. There are a few individuals lurking behind forums and collecting information uncovered by collectors and publishing as their own, without credit.
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 Posted 03/02/2012  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow thanks for the super fast reply t_y,

I am fairly knowledgeable about coins, but I don't know much about errors. Any idea on a fair price for an uncertified example like this?

Here's the pics as they were sent to me by my friend:

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 Posted 03/02/2012  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ring punched off centre (I call it "off centre type 1").

Beautiful and very desirable coin, even with the signs of circulation.

If you want an offer PM me.

Regarding certification, ICCS will not recognize, and the other services will charge you 25 bucks and up. Honestly, I don't think this coin is important enough to be certified - it will not increase its value.
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03/02/2012 11:24 pm
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