1847 Crown

seuk, thank you for your pictures. At least this is the first time I get something solid to prove a coin is real or not, no matter your evidence is 100% reliable.

Is the "hopefully genuine coin" owned by you? Can you tell the alignment told by "Coincraft's 1997" correct, that is, the edge letters "et" is aligned with the "V" of Victoria?

Hi ski, I try to send you an email but the system bars me because your profile setting does not allow email in. So you have to change your setting before I send you email. Yes, I want to join the 'predeciaml' forum but I find it not easy to do, I don't know why. Henry

Hi Wonghinghi, The picture of the "hopefully genuine coin" were taken from a web page. Not mine. I have not had the change to study any of these coins in hand. But from the pictures alone it is clear that the coins sold by said dealer all have the same repeating marks (except an ex mount example which he sold earlier).

Hi group, I got some edege photos from another UK seller who I think is reliable. The letters from that pictures are very different from mine, the "V" of Victoria is really align with "et" which is aligned with "tur" of 'tueatur' on the other side. Moreove these pictures also show the sharp edge lettering as said by the coin book "Concraft's 1997" Now I believe this one is genuine and mine is fake.
Henry

Thank you your encouragement, declanwmagee, I agree with you "the more he has to refun, the less likely he is to do it again". But you know I am in HK, so there is a certain difficulty in asking for a refund. I will do one more step, that is, to let a third party to prove my coin is fake. Then I will ask for a refund together with all my findings.

What sad reading thi thread makes... true a beautiful coin and an expensive one also... which is why it gets faked. The fakes are also pretty convincing and buying one slabbed by an American firm is no garuntee of authenticity.

While I agree it is important to educate ourselfs in order to avoid buying a fake the problem is that discussing openly how the fakes fall short also educates the counterfeiters how to produce better copies. If you live in an impoverished country it is more than worth your effort to do such things; even if it is morally reprehensable.

I hope they throw the book at those responsible and those that have been duped recover their costs.

CGS had some troubles with a pattern half penny. They said that was nothing special and theres perhaps only 2 other examples of it. I dont suppose you can
trust anyone.

That being said - a coin of this stature should be very well documented by them.

Hi group, I acquire another Gothic Crown(COIN B) finally, this one was bought from another UK seller (the coin I posted in this thread on Nov 24), that is the one I said (alignment of edge letters) is compatible with the "Coincraft's 1997" descriptions.

The first one (COIN A) I posted that I think it is fake is of medal alignment while the second one (COIN B)is coin alignment. (when I turn the coin left to right by 180 degree, please note the position of the "w" "w" at the sides of an 3-lions emblem.)

The weight and diamenter of COIN A is 28.30 grams, 39.1mm while COIN B is 28.27 grams and 39.0mm respectively.

COIN A is a froster proof.
COIN B is a mirror proof.(can you see my fingers during photographing?)

Please judge the following pictures, the left one is COIN B while the right one is COIN A.

For edge pictures, the upper one is COIN B, lower one is COIN A.

Can you tell the difference between the observe and reverse? Besides the diference in the Gothic scripts and alignment of the two coins, there is no difference between them for me.

I am waiting for your comments. Henry