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1853 $2.5 Gold Coin - Partial Collar? - Railroad?

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 Posted 11/08/2010  09:55 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dumprat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Looking through my relatives coins and came across this. I believe this is a partial collar/railroad but want the experts advice. I don't see many old gold coins in person so don't know if it is common on the small coins or not (like on dimes/cents).

It starts at the dot between '2' and 'U' and goes all around till the 'C' in "AMERICA".

Splits reeds starting at the 'I' in "UNITED" and goes to split above reeds at 'S' in "STATES"

1853-$2.5-Gold-Coin---Partial-Collar?---Railroad?

1853-$2.5-Gold-Coin---Partial-Collar?---Railroad?

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 Posted 11/08/2010  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the coin is fully reeded then it is not a partial collar. The bottom part of the first pic is out of focus but it appears to have a slight die misalignment.
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 Posted 11/08/2010  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I concur on the slight "misaligned die" (MAD). It just MIGHT be enough (barely) for PCGS/NGC to put mint error on the slab. However, with most other denominations, like pennies, that amount 'off center' would not constitute a significant error and not make it on the slab.
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 Posted 11/08/2010  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dumprat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hope this is a better pic of the whole reverse of the coin

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 Posted 11/08/2010  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arsave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you get an image of the edge?
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 Posted 11/08/2010  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another telling question - is the other side of the coin normal? That'll settle the MAD vs partial collar question.
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 Posted 11/08/2010  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this is what a partial collar/railroad rim looks like
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 Posted 11/09/2010  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dumprat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't get a clear pic but it is a regular reeded edge so it must be a misaligned die. So I take it that there is no real added value to it?

On another note, it is amazing how much knowledge that I have learned from you all over the past few years. Last time I looked at this coin (few years back) I never saw the edge. Same goes with many other coins.
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 Posted 11/09/2010  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it would carry a significant premium if you could get it slabbed as a mint error with misaligned dies. I'd put the changes of PCGS/NGC doing that that at 50/50.
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usually it has to be missing some details for them to slab it as an error but I have seen them slabbed as errors that didn't have any details missing but I don't think this one has a shot of making it into a error slab. But that is just my opinion and it has been wrong before
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 Posted 11/09/2010  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arsave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it would be too minor to get into an error slab. It is cool.
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 Posted 11/09/2010  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's one of mine that is not missing detail that managed to get slabbed an error. If I ever thought about selling this one, it would be worth 3-5X with the error on the slab, even it if is minor.

I sent in another one just like it that they rejected as an error, so you never know.

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 Posted 11/09/2010  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arsave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Robbudo, I think your coins shows much greater spread than Dumprat's 2 1/2.
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yeah I agree, that Morgan is way more Misaligned than the gold coin shown above. The Morgan is almost all the way down to the denticles in the 6:00-7:00 area
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 Posted 11/11/2010  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this slabbed misaligned gold coin is off the same as the one in this thread ...

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...o=4242#Photo

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