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Post A Slabbed Coin In MS 63 And Lets Compare Them....

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 Posted 01/10/2011  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is a weak struck coin., not a terribly weak struck. wear on the cotton bolls some on the cheek and neck and lower hair..a beauty for the OBV. but the reverse has more than a wear, than a typical weak strike. for example If the reverse was such a FLAT STRIKE why are there details in the left(viewers left)Talons.. One would expect a flat strike would show flat talons and legs.. on both sides..
Not BOTH being FLAT , and IF this were so.. it would idicate WEAR.......AS so many coins exibit..
IT COULD NOT BE MS....BY THE RULES....yet the ANA allows such things. and I agree.......How ever this is the crux of this post.....
As so many have already been graded....to these old standards...one can not expect every one to turn in there OVERGRADED coins to submit them to such a drop in grading........

This is why there is this post....to gain a common ground and understanding....of the normal and the exceptions....so PLEASE STAY ON TRACK.....ITS NOT A BATTLE between who what or were..or opinions.....it s common ground that we have
Identified as having variances......
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Good advice Gene, I at times take on a both personal and emotional sense about things I am so passionate about, that said, I would suggest we post coins of the same year and mint as to keep things on a learning basis to help this topic on grading grow. Thanks for the wake up call, Mike...
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 Posted 01/10/2011  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike I have enjoyed all of the variances this thread has evolved into...But TRULY is getting way beyond what its supposed to be about...Thats whyI call all to come to a common ground, so that we can learn. not dispute, and as such a
COIN GRADING CLASS as such as this could be...and by which is the intent..As we all come from all walks of life and experiences..let us join not DEBATE...so that those who follow can find some understanding...That's all I want...
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Well I'm up for a while, but I hope you all will contribute to a great thread...If your just lurking just say HEARHEAR.. or what ever...I'll check back in the morning..Hope we have some posts of coins from the same year and Mint Mark so we can get down to business!!OR else LOL...
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I'm hear so I can watch & learn.
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If the reverse was such a FLAT STRIKE why are there details in the left(viewers left)Talons.. One would expect a flat strike would show flat talons and legs.. on both sides..
Not BOTH being FLAT , and IF this were so.. it would idicate WEAR.......AS so many coins exibit..


Is either die design symmetrical? What do you suppose occurs when a planchet is pressed between two dies that each have engravings of varying depths? Have you considered another use for a clash chart? Did New Orleans have the planchet annealing capacity of the other mints? Why did the dies not last as long at New Orleans as they did at the other mints? If you feel that the answers are irrelevant to 'grading' just tell me so, and I will keep my nose out of your class.... (no hard feeling on my part).
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 Posted 01/10/2011  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rlcbj59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hear hear. How can I catch you guys when your in live discussion?
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 Posted 01/10/2011  02:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rlcbj59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok my bad thought you were thru, sorry
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I feel out of place, I have many questoins but the forums are about other topics. I don't want to piss anybody off so what do I do zeewool
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You are more than welcome to just jump right in at anytime rlcbj59.... ask questions.... supposedly, that is the purpose of the forum. When folks are posting, is the best time to ask those questions... if you simply read without asking questions, you will become confused.

edited to add:

If you have questions not relating to this thread, then feel free to start another thread based on your specific questions.... I will reply.... I may not know the answers, but I will reply... I do sleep and do other things, so give me time.
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01/10/2011 02:48 am
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ok, thanks. I got my first Morgan about a year or so ago it's a 1896 & was in a sock in my dads drawer. It has pantina on it coverd obverse & reverse, no scratches, it has no mint mark so I asume its a P, am I correct?
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 Posted 01/10/2011  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rlcbj59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That came out wrong, we were going through my dads things after he passed away.
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Yes, that would be a P (Philadelphia)... we are trampling on a dedicated thread here though, so if you would please start a new thread, and I'll do my best to answer your questions in that new thread....
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 Posted 01/10/2011  03:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rlcbj59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok sorry guys.
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It is okay.... you are new, and if anyone is bothered by it, they will get over it rather quickly.
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