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Canada
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Beautiful coin! It's got a nice look to it  |
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United States
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Not strictly speaking a proper addition ... One of the reasons we set the rules is to break them. It's a nice coin!  |
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 United Kingdom
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I liked it too -- it can be hard to stay focussed when something bright and shiny comes along :) Another addition which arrived today.  Friedrich Gunther 1863 1 Thaler Ob. FRIEDR. GUNTHER FURST ZU SCHWARZBURG Rev. EIN VEREINSTHALER XXX EIN PFUND FEIN Edge: GOTT MIT UNS Silver 0.9000 18.520g mintage: 17,000 Mint: ? MM: Not sure of the mint of this one - if anyone knows for sure please let me know. The Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt line is a younger branch of the house of Schwarzburg, being descended from Johann Gunther, who died in the mid 17th century. Friedrich Gunther received a civil list of some 145,300 florins or £12,108. He also had income from certain state domains which were declared property of the ruling house. The fundamental law of the principality was the constitution of April 21th 1821, which underwent several alterations in 1848 and again in 1854. For all legislative measures the prince had to obtain the consent of a Chamber of Representatives of 15 members. Five of these were elected from the nobility, 5 from the inhabitants of the towns and 5 from the rural population. These deputies met every three years and they were required to be re-elected after two sessions. In 1861 the population numbered 71,913 on an area of 340 square miles. |
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Another addition...  Heinrich XVI 1868 1 Thaler Ob. HEINRICH XIV V.G.G. REG. FURST REUSS I. L. Rev. EIN VEREINSTHALER XXX EIN PFUND FEIN Edge: MUNZUERTAG VOM 24 JANUAR 1857 Silver 0.9000 18.520g mintage: 14,000 Mint: Berlin MM: ? Heinrich XIV, Prince of Reuss-Schleiz, was born on May 28th 1832, the son of Prince Heinrich LXVII and Princess Adelaide and he succeeded the throne on the death of his father on July 10th 1867. The reigning house of Reuss-Schleiz formed a younger branch of the Reuss family. By extinction of several other closely related lines, the house of Schleiz obtained large increases in territory at the end of the 18th century. Heinrich XIV received about £20,000 annually from the civil list, though as with Reuss-Greiz, much of the territory is the private property of the family which generated more income. All the princes are called Heinrich and to distinguish them they had numbers attached to their names. Number 1 is given to the first prince of the branch born in the century and the numbers follow in order of birth until the century was finished, when the cycle began again. Thus Heinrich's father who was born in 1789 and died in 1867 was Heinrich LXVII and his son was born in 1832 was Heinrich XIV, being respectively the 37th and 14th prince of Reuss-Schleiz born in the 18th and 19th centuries. A charter of liberal tendencies was granted by the Prince to his subjects in 1849 but after modifications in 1852 and 1856 the principal enactments were abandoned. The chief prerogative of a Chamber of Representatives which was left is the right to petition the sovereign. The latter has whole legislative and executive power as well as the appointment of all public functionaries. In the administration of the state a cabinet of three members acts under his direction. The total population for the territory was 83,360 on an area of 397 square miles This one was the most expensive of all the crown/thalers I've bought so far. Even more pricy than the nice Schamburg Lippe one which had a slightly smaller mintage and was argueably in better condition. I'm not sure why these particular Reuss junger line coins are more sought after - but they do seem to be the most pricy of all the coins I'm after (with the exception of the Lichtenstein one) - so it's a big one crossed off the list. It should be downhill all the way now  |
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I forgot to mention that I have got my webpage up and running again, so the page is filling up. The Reuss coin is also my favourite :)
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It is a very good looking coin. Seeing all these thalers making me want to get a collection going. A few that I have, I've considered adding them to my main collection, the British Royal family. I guess it's up to me how extended a family I'd like, I'm sure I can establish some marital links from London to pretty much any court in Europe.
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The history of European aristoracy of this era I find facinating. Also how they really were all related and kept the "bloodlines" very pure - it's easy to see why horse racing is considered the sport of kings - it's all about bloodlines too. Victoria aka "the grandmama of Europe" is a very well known pivot for the royal families (though the rulers in the picture of this project were really pre-Victoria) but there are others who were well connected. George III, for example had a huge number of children, one of which went on to become the King of Hanover. -- though I'm sure you know all this already...
One of the hardest ancillary crowns for me to get will be Otto, King of Greece who was really the son of Ludwig, King of Bavaria - his coins are very expensive - so that's an aspiration, rather than a goal
I'm glad this thread has sparked your interest - it'a a great area to explore -
Crowns are a wonderful series to collect (or Thalers, or 5 Francs...etc., ) but everyone else seems to think so too - so they are really expensive.
Best of luck
Malcolm
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The way they numbered the Heinrichs in Reuß is quite interesting indeed. Both used the first name Heinrich for all princes. The Younger Line (Schleiz, J.L.) did what you described, ie. they started with "Heinrich I." again at the beginning of each new century. The Older Line (Greiz, Ä.L.) counted up from 1 and started there again once 100 was reached ...
Christian
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Hi Christian,
Thanks for the clarification on the numbering system used. As far as I know the house is still active, though now joined as one. It's also fascinating to know that one of Franz Joseph's grandchildren is still alive - though very elderly now. The past isn't that far away :)
Malcolm
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Heinrich LXVII and his son was born in 1832 was Heinrich XIV, being respectively the 37th and 14th prince of Reuss-Schleiz born in the 18th and 19th centuries. Should it be XXXVII or 67th (I'm guessing 37th would be the easier error to make). |
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As far as I know the house is still active, though now joined as one. It's also fascinating to know that one of Franz Joseph's grandchildren is still alive - though very elderly now. The past isn't that far away :) Don't really know about those houses - after all, the days of the monarchy and of princes in Austria and Germany (including the states of the Deutsches Reich) ended almost 100 years ago. As for the children and grandchildren of those rulers, may they all have long lives. :) But legally there is no such thing as nobility here. @biggfredd: Henrich XIV's predecessor was Heinrich LXVII, that would be the 67th prince. See here for example: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ch_LXVII.jpgChristian Edited by chrisild
04/08/2012 05:24 am
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That's what I thought. So dad was not 37th, as you posted originally.
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Yes - the 67th - my error. Thanks for that correction.
I think (though I may be wrong) that the old houses still exist - almost as an affectation or "country club" of former aristoracy. I've read they may even get courtesy titles - though they aren't formally recognised. But I'm sure they don't mind. Out of the 24 royal titles in the original photo - only one still exists.
Edit - well... one and a half :)
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04/08/2012 11:40 am
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A new addition - crown sized European silver, not related to the photograph, though it was undoubtedly still circulating in France at the time. The unusual dating method is typical of the egocentric ruler. Napoleon L'AN13 5 Francs Ob. NAPOLEON EMPEREUR. Rev. REPUBLIQUE FRANCAISE 5 FRANCS Ed. DIEU PROTEGE LA FRANCE Silver 0.9000 weight: 25.0g mintage: 5,121,000 Mint: Paris  |
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One of the hardest ancillary crowns for me to get will be Otto, King of Greece who was really the son of Ludwig, King of Bavaria - his coins are very expensive - so that's an aspiration, rather than a goal It's not so expensive to get one in VG and Fine grade although you have to pay 150 or more euro.Really expensive is in grades AU and better. Many counterfeits in ebay so you must be careful with that.Better to post a picture before buying. Otto's coins are expensive because most of them were melt down in the years after his monarchy because of the financial situation in Greece.Most of the coins survived the melt pot were pierced for wealthy women necklaces which was a common practise in Greece and Balkans in 19th century.Up to 90% of the coins were part of the jewelery |
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