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Many years ago, I had a MS Canadian dollar that was struck and stayed in the collar. A second struck dollar fell on top of it a couple mm into the design at K6. When the hammer die came down again, it created Strike Doubling that became more obvious the closer it got to the top coin. The top coin was popped out like a tiddlywink, cupping out about half of the overlapped area and leaving deep grooves from the reeding, plus forcing the in-collar coin edge to almost twice its normal thickness. I told Alan Herbert about it, and he said it couldn't happen. Poor guy had to rewrite his error book after I sent it to him. |
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Because it would be a pretty boring site and a few would get tired of answering all the questions...but if you would like something like that, you could always start a new site  I believe one thing that makes this site so popular is the participation of collectors at all levels. |
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It's not my desire to start a new site or even change this one. I am newer as a member to this forum, but not new to the field. I imagine that this site is no different than any other meeting of interested parties. If you have one person with a valid question, and a dozen people without the answer jumping up and down to "guess", that doesn't help the person seeking information. That's my only point- why shout loudly, when one doesn't have an answer? Maybe I totally mis-interpreted the purpose of this forum, perhaps this is a giant guessing game. When I give an answer, I don't claim to be infallible, but my answers are solidly based upon experience, not opinion.
Edited by liveandievarieties
03/06/2011 7:27 pm
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I think for the most part it's just to get something "in there" so the original poster doesn't think they are being ignored. Just "something" to let them know they are noticed. I see no issues with this at all. It's a good thing that everyone participates.
In other cases it's people who "think" they understand, but in reality they don't, and their responses show it. Dunno how to put it any nicer...some are not going to learn because they can't seem to grasp the concept no matter how many times they are spoon fed good info.
In still yet other cases it could be an honest case of someone who does understand the process but is preoccupied or busy or something and just gives the occasional wrong answer. I can remember a time when I was in the middle of a response and my 7 year-old (at the time) came in the office and barfed all over the floor. I left the computer, and when I came back I finished what I thought was my response. When I re-read the post (after clicking on submit) the response made no sense even to me. Things happen.
But I do agree - it's best not to "try" giving a definitive answer if you're really guessing. It just confuses the group. But it is a good idea to participate..."I'm still learning all this stuff and don't really know, but it sure looks interesting to me." is a completely harmless response.
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I made some " fake errors PMD " awhile back. Copper nickle " improper annealed " blueish nickle " improper alloy " brass cent " improper alloy " PMD clipped planchet AT artifical toning I was trying to see what PMD coins looked like by damaging them after they were minted to see if the same damage could happen during or before the minting process and they would look the same I think I post them and most relized it was PMD I even posted they were PMD a few days later. I got tired of seeing blotchey copper nickles or a bluish nickels people would find in circulation that were invloved in house fires or chemically altered then posted to find out " what kind of error it was " It was a helpfull way for me to see what a real " improper annealed nickle " looks like verus one layed on a hotplate untill it discolored. A far as broad strikes, Doubleddies, off centers, railroad coins. People who know what to look for can indentify them eazy and tell what is or is not PMD. When someone knows how coins are made its eazt to tell what is or is not PMD . My self I am uncertian alot of times. I see clipped planchets and tried to recreate one. I am sure others with a machine shop with better tools can prob make a good fake . BUt the experts can tell by the strike on the coin weakness in areas if it was true clipped planchet or PMD. Now spotting " fake counterfiet errors" like the recent china ones man that a whole nothr field N |
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Coop- your photos and posts are are an incredible wealth for this forum. A lot can be learned from your images. Thanks!
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Agree about coops pics, they're great...but coppertop5150 drove this thread completely off the road...sometimes I think he just likes to type  |
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Umm, yeah...I agree completely.
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I borrow them from different forum just for an occasion like this! Believe it or not, I have some that I've never posted yet that the subject hadn't come up yet.
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after reading this thread....maybe a few people are long-typist
as long as you use tact and respect.....you keep respect
to summarize what I got out of this thread, was a reminder to think about what I'm going to share before I throw conjecture on the wall to see how long it will stick
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What I was trying to say is I made some " errors " on purpose and posted them to see the responses wether people would agree and comment on them as PMD or a real mint error. I wanted to see who would " jump in and comment " and if anyone was fooled by a " fake error " and thought it was legit. I thought this thread was about " commenting PMD on coins or a real error and people responses or would they just guess "  I thought that was the OP statement about people taking guesses and commenting . I was just saying I did a exp awhile back with fake errors to see if anyone was fooled and if they were they could learn what a fake error looked like and we could all learn what PMD coins looked like Edited by coppertop5150
03/08/2011 12:38 am
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Wild Bill- you hit the nail on the head, as several others have made very lucid points in the thread as well. A common courtesy for each other, and answering if we chose, with the knowledge we have learned. Everyone's enthusiasm is what makes this place work, but too much zeal can spoil it too.
I was simply concerned about some of the people who asked very valid questions and there were a dozen responses all arguing hypothetical, fantasy, what if though... answers. The fact that every die variety fits into a class and every error is a specific type, is what appeals to many. There are clear black and white answers to most people's questions. I think the ones who seek information deserve it, not confusion.
Thanks everybody, there are some great conversations had here!
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