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 Posted 04/14/2011  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Ipod app for die variety identification


psst.. android too please..
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 Posted 04/14/2011  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Danester to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've always objected the use of the term "Variety" other then as "Die Variety". In the accepted hierarchy below, I change "Variety" to "Minor-Type". That's just me, but I base it on the premise - if the Mint makes a planned change (or inadvertent, i.e. - large mintmark, or WAM) it is a Type, Sub-Type, or Minor-Type, and if it's a flaw in manufacturing the die it is a Variety (Die Variety). Also, Die Varieties are specific to an individual die, and Minor-Types (and Sub-Types) are not.

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Type - major design element changes: Liberty nickel, Buffalo nickel, Jefferson nickel, Seated Liberty half dollar, Capped Bust Dime, Washington quarter.

Sub-Type - minor design element changes: With arrows, without arrows, with stars, without stars, mound reverse, plains reverse, wheat reverse, memorial reverse. (metal changes also fit into this category, i.e. - silver vs. clad)

Variety; - minor changes in design not generally intended to be noticed: large date, small date, large mintmark, small mintmark, large letters, small letters, large stars, small stars, Wide AM, Close AM. Varieties do NOT change the sub-type.

Die Variety - flaws in die manufacture (usually involve doubling): repunched mintmark, over mintmark, inverted mintmark, doubled die, overdate, repunched date.

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Type - major design element changes: Liberty nickel, Buffalo nickel, Jefferson nickel, Seated Liberty half dollar, Capped Bust Dime, Washington quarter.

Sub-Type - design element changes: With arrows, without arrows, with stars, without stars, mound reverse, plains reverse, wheat reverse, memorial reverse. (metal changes also fit into this category, i.e. - silver vs. clad)

Minor-Type - minor changes in design not generally intended to be noticed: large date, small date, large mintmark, small mintmark, large letters, small letters, large stars, small stars, Wide AM, Close AM.

Die Variety - flaws in die manufacture (usually involve doubling): repunched mintmark, over mintmark, inverted mintmark, doubled die, overdate, repunched date.

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04/14/2011 9:18 pm
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 Posted 04/14/2011  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok but I would argue that the 88-RDV-006 and the WAM s could not, by your definition, be called Minor-Types. Unless you have proof they were "planned" changes.
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 Posted 04/14/2011  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably should star a new thread if you want to have this discusion. Not really relevent to what coppercoins was talking about...IMO
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 Posted 04/14/2011  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Danester to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The term "Variety" was discussed early on in this thread, and that's why I posted it here.
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 Posted 04/14/2011  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, wasn't trying to be rude.
Should have started by saying welcome to the forum...
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 Posted 04/14/2011  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Danester to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is just what I personally use. I'm not lobbying for any changes to accepted terminology. But, I do hope it makes some logical sence.

Also, under the accepted terminology, "Variety" and 'Die Variety" can sometimes be confusing. Many times a collector will simply say "Variety" when referring to a Die Variety. If the term Minor-Type were used there would be no confusion.

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04/15/2011 12:50 am
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An in depth discussion took place here just a few weeks ago:
https://goccf.com/t/83936
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Hi Danester-


I read your perspective with interest and surprise! It's really neat for me, to be able to examine from another's view.

In fact, Would you copy your Variety vs Die Variety post and re-post it as a new thread? It's one of the more interesting errant topics to appear in Chuck's thread.

I'll look forward to participating in the discussion, I think we ALL can learn from every other active, passionate member.

Thanks, and looking forward to more!

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 Posted 04/15/2011  02:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wolf-n-wa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like varieties. That is why I collect a lot of differant coins. WOLF
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 Posted 04/15/2011  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add liveandievarieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lol, Varieties are the Spice of Life!
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 Posted 04/15/2011  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not that I am disengaged or that I am ignoring some of the lesser related yet still interesting topics brought up here, but...back to the subject of the thread:

Regarding population reports, numbers known, etc...

I am gathering from a majority that you wouldn't WANT to see or participate in reporting what you know so that we could finally get a handle on how many of these things are really out there. In some way I can see and respect that, but in other ways it's really kinda selfish (not that I'm innocent myself).

So what should I do to somehow cover the relative scarcity of these things without asking everyone to tip their hands? This IS a part of a coin's value...

So a perplexing issue has arisen (not that it has never been mentioned before) - but at this point I have an opportunity to do something (or nothing) about it.

Suggestions? Comments? Questions? I am really interested in hearing from all of you.
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 Posted 04/15/2011  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Changeless to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Go for it. Over or under reporting would "come out in the wash". It would simply be the THE BEST GUIDE OF ITS KIND.
SEE THIS EXAMPLE! one of the BEST bird-count surveys... valued by professional scientists as well as ordinary hobby "birders"... is the annual "Great Backyard Bird Count" sponsored by the Audubon Society
Check it out: http://www.birdsource.org/gbbc/ "The Great Backyard Bird Count ... Anyone can participate, from beginning bird watchers to experts... It's free, fun, and easy--and it helps the birds."

edited to shorten and to add this: sure, keep the reports anonymous somehow... and have some moderate screening... like a person reporting must be a member of certain forums, or member of certain organization.

I know you are a very careful responsible person... and I honestly believe this would show great leadership to go ahead with such a project... "JUST DO IT" (old saying from the Y2K generation)
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04/15/2011 1:03 pm
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