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 Posted 06/12/2011  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Want it or not, the handwriting IS on the wall.

For a long time, national sovereignty has been a source of great pride. Nations tend to guard and protect this to the best extent that they can. As nations become more involved with each other via trade, however, some aspects of national sovereignty must change. In all partnerships, things are given up so that others are gained. This is no different. OK, so now what happens when the leaders of our nation insist on doing idiotic things that will result in terrible problems a few years down the road. Make no mistake about this... we ARE on that path. Is the freedom to behave stupidly really worth suffering severe economic consequences? Sometimes, we just have to wonder about that.
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 Posted 06/14/2011  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dMAN to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ed_B, I don't deny being on that path one bit. I'm not sure as to what exactly you meant in your last sentence so forgive me if I misunderstood, but are you insinuating giving up some of our freedom to fix this economic discourse? If so please elaborate.
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 Posted 06/14/2011  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Ed_B, I don't deny being on that path one bit. I'm not sure as to what exactly you meant in your last sentence so forgive me if I misunderstood, but are you insinuating giving up some of our freedom to fix this economic discourse? If so please elaborate.

It was a question that I was hoping others would consider and then offer their opinions. I am not advocating one way or the other. In general, I reject the idea of ever giving up ANY personal freedom. There are already WAY too many laws, rules, and regulations in place and every one of them already limits our freedoms.

The freedom of a government to behave stupidly should be controlled by its citizens. If not, then other nations will do that for us and probably in ways that we will not like. Remember... debt is a form of ownership. If you are up to your eyeballs in debt, whoever holds that debt has a claim on your assets. In the case of a nation, those assets include its productive capacity, raw materials, land, and perhaps even its ability to tax its citizens. If the measures "suggested" by a creditor country are not implemented, they do have the right to refuse any more credit. This can be a very tricky situation but a large part of my point is that being in debt to a very large extent is a bad thing. It's bad for individuals and it is bad for nations. That debt HAS to be paid. If it is not, then all manner of progressively worse events are likely to follow.
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In 2008, when all those big banks merged and handed over control to the feds under the tarp program, seems like they opened up the doors Ed speaks of perhaps....

That movie I had mentioned...."To big to fail" let me sum to the best of my ability to how I interpreted it....

Average Joe was given loans by the bank to buy a house, the American dream. In my opinion, signing an adjustable rate is just a bad idea, but average Joe figured he could pay the loan, figuring if the bank gives it to me, I must be able to keep up with the payments right? Wrong, the banks knew the rates would change and many would loose their house, but they did not care (this is that greed that brings a nation down), as AIG was covering all those bad loans via insurance policy's on those loans, so the banks could not loose. Problem was, they set up way too many of those policies across the entire planet, so if they all were fore closed on same day, it would have basically created a domino effect that would bring the entire market crashing down, like in the late 20's....

The part I liked the most, was when one of the key figures spoke of studying the great depression for the past 30 years. He said it was not the market's crash itself that hit middle America so hard, it was the total in-ability for anyone to get any credit. To buy a home, or stock ones shelves. I asked my grand father about this in his last days now, and he lived through it all, and agreed that that was indeed the major problem for most of America, total lack of any credit, as all their banks obviously collapsed....

What did the government do to fix all this mess in 2008, take 7 billion and inject it back into the system via more loans to create capital, or at least they were hoping they would loan it all out, or did they?

Today I see an email from "money morning" saying the Chinese housing market is about to collapse, and how will it effect gold, was the title to article. It said their housing market is down 40% and the bottom has not been seen yet. This is gonna make our little scare seem like small potatoes....

My point for all this, I feel the events of 2008 were just a short fix, temporary band aid if you will, and who knows what repercussions we still may see from all that yet. I wonder, could decisions then have any affect on what is going on in China now, via their housing market issues?
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The problem is,no one wants to take the consequences of their actions. During the great depression people learned to live on what they had and the entire generation became frugal. There were no government programs in place and if you were in debt up to your eyeballs you went bankrupt and were on the street. You had to find a way to live,but you had the freedom to be successful or to fail. That is an important freedom. We learn more from failure as a result of our own actions than we do if someone bails us out every time we make a wrong choice. I am willing to take my chances if there is a level playing field,but,there's the rub! Every situation is rigged so the folks in charge can't lose! That is why as a nation we are screwed and part of the reason people will give up freedoms is because they have no hope otherwise. We have allowed our selves,mostly out of a desire for convenience and safety,to be led down a path of giving up our freedoms and never assessing the final cost. Well,here we are! We have only our selves to blame,and most of the nation is still in denial. God save us all!
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 Posted 06/14/2011  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great points Hock, esp the first and last sentences....
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