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 Posted 06/09/2011  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wolverine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver will without a doubt rise higher and higher, inflation will too. You need to decide which you feel will rise higher faster and play the game. Silver and gold make great investments if you buy at the right time. There are tons of credible sites that offer their opinions, do some research! I follow it every day, I bought silver around $25 an ounce, sold it all at $50ish an ounce, and then boought it all again at $34 an ounce. I made a nice little profit with about 2 hours of research each week. 15 minutes here, 15 minutes there. It's like a great part time job!
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 Posted 06/09/2011  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AlmostCollectible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Saw an interesting video relating to this thread, check it out, the first few minutes at least:

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...0216542.html
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So,which countries has enough currency float to become the world reserve currency if not the US?. Not many.

True. But that will not be a problem IF the new world reserve currency is a basket of other currencies, much like the Euro. Imagine a G8 currency, for example. A single world currency will come at some point but whether that is a year from now or 100 years from now, no one really knows. There are many financial strains being introduced now by debtor countries printing way too much of their currencies while creditor nations struggle with constantly falling currency values. They are getting paid for their raw materials and manufacturing but with something that is steadily losing value. For now, the creditor countries seem content with buying resources with these devaluing currencies as quickly as they can. At some point, they will not be satisfied with that. Things will devolve pretty rapidly at that point.
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 Posted 06/10/2011  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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$4000 and ounce for gold seems a bit ludicrous, I just can't see that happening. BUT, I guess I woulda said the same about $1600 gold not too long ago. It seems outlandish...

I agree, Jack. I thought the same thing when gold doubled from $250 to $500 an ounce. Since then, it has tripled. It is a commodity juggernaut with very little in its way of rising higher. A stronger dollar could do that but there seems to be no interest in strengthening the dollar now. It is in a race to the bottom with the Chinese Yuan. :-/
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 Posted 06/10/2011  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find it interesting how the new members come in asking the same questions, and it shows how many of us think alike and in the same sequence. And no knock at all, as I asked the same questions, smart in my mind. But after a bit, I start to sound like a broken record repeating the same things, lol. And that is all good, as I enjoy the digital conversation....

Seems like some say the 16 to 1 is a myth, and once based on every ounce of gold for every 16 ounces of silver. And I say myth as I am not so sure those numbers are accurate any longer....

Read through the threads in this section, and you will see examples of how gold is not as rare as many think, and how silver is indeed very rare and in short supply....

In the end I say keep it simple, buy gold and silver as much as you can get and afford, and hold on to it for 10 or 20 years. And if you want, get some platinum, palladium, and Rhodium as well. Like with the football squares, the more you buy, the better your chances are of winning, lol....
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06/10/2011 02:23 am
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If silver reaches $250 quickly in the near future, the U.S. and the World economies would be in GFC 2. I don't see that happening.

Sometime in the distant future, I can see a single world currency being introduced to solve an economic crisis. That means all nations will loose most of their sovereignty.

There a lot of perceived conspriacies that have been around for a long time concerning a One World Government. If an economic crisis is bad enough, I think most national governments would grudgingly concede most of their national sovereignty. I just can't imagine the amount of political turmoil in getting there.

At this time in World history, I think that the concept of national identity in a lot of countries is just too strong to allow a World government to happen. You will need food crises, water crises and energy crises on a World scale, and the threat of WW3 first. At present, fear in most governments is the strongest motivator to try to prevent these crises happening.
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 Posted 06/10/2011  05:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dMAN to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sel, Well put. I am right with you as for the loss of sovereignty. Our country is too great to let this happen. It will be a said day if we ever stop being the shiny city on the hill.
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 Posted 06/10/2011  06:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozzie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When the dollar rallies again at some point in the future the prices of PM's will fall as it always does. What goes up must come down.
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Ozzie, has the dollar not made any recovery say form 2000 to now, where gold has climbed form 250 an oz. to 1537, and it is down 7 bucks on the day?

To think gold will fall back down now is wishful thinking too most....

Does anyone here in this forum really think in 10 years, gold or silver will be worth less than it is now? Sure it will go up and it will go down, bu in the long run it is gonna keep climbing, is that how the nature of things work, with all commodities, via inflation?

I was so naive as say an eight year old child, I looked at the gas read out on the pump, and associated a dollar of money, as a gallon of gas. I recall the day, when my father bought 10 bucks worth of gas, but the read out only showed say nine and a half gallons of gas, so I asked my father why, and he explained how things work. Gas, was like a dollar and five cents a gallon then. Does anyone think they will ever see gas for a gallon again?

It has went up, to never come back down. Not below say $2.50 a gallon for a few of the coldest non travel months of the year perhaps, and that is wishful thinking....
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06/10/2011 1:16 pm
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 Posted 06/11/2011  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozzie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can anyone show me a chart where the USD and gold/silver moves in the same direction? They normally move in opposite directions. Gold silver goes up USD goes down. Gold and silver goes down, USD goes up.
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The development of a world currency might not necessarily require an EOTWAWKI situation. Like a lot of things, it could well develop slowly with a few nations participating in it as a trade booster. Those nations would prosper and other nations would be interested in joining in order to have a share of that prosperity. No one would be putting a gun to anyone's head. They could freely join or leave as they see fit. At some point, the trade advantages could become so great that no nation would want to not be in it.

The entire length of human history has been a process of coming together and merging into larger and larger units. Individuals coalesced into families, families became tribes, tribes became clans, clans became nations, and nations became associated together in leagues for trade, knowledge, and defense. Europe is uniting economically, if not quite politically, under the banner of the Euro, for the 1st time ever and we are all watching this history unfold. It is truly significant as it is a first... the birth of the Super-Nation. At some point, other world regions will do this. At a later point, all of them will combine into a single economic entity... a United Earth, if you will. The political part will trail but will eventually follow the economic part into a single unified human civilization with a common language, most likely English, and a common economic system, most likely regulated capitalism.

I understand that this is a HUGE concept and that not everyone is ready to embrace it... and that's OK. I'm not completely comfortable with it either... but, I DO see it coming and, barring complete disaster of some kind, it is inevitable.

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By choosing a time frame to begin or end a chart, you can show almost any relationship. People like to look at long term charts expecting the directions to predict what will continue to happen. Others look at intraday charts as their trading range is a day. The same factors occurring in the world may affect the USD and PM similarly or oppositely.

Today, the DowJInd were -172.45 ( worse week in 9 years)
Gold was up $3.30
USD was up .044
Si was down .132
The Euro was about flat ( -.0004)

Most would have expected Gold to be higher if fear was high, but it was offset by nervous news from China slowdown. evidently they are worse off than many expect. The Yen has problems, the Euro has problems, The PIIGS are getting shakier, and even the BRIC countries are nervous. Flooding in several areas of the world, drought in others, crop problems, OPEC arguing among themselves, oil producing countries in conflict,etc.

You think you know what is happening and why, and then another variable comes into play. Gold is acting more as a fear reaction than is silver, but not to the level most expect.

People want a strong dollar,high precious metals, cheap gas, high job numbers, recovered housing, ethical financial institutions, and people in politics who worry more about the country and it citizens than keeping their pants on when twitting, and folks we have a long ways to go.IMO.
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I am referring to the generally accepted trend of how gold and silver and USD behave. Fundamentals I believe don't play such an important role anymore. Political manipulation is a far more important factor.
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Since commodities are priced world wide in USD, if all other factors are inactive or neutral, when the dollar strengthens, then the price of commodities will weaken, and reversely, the USD weakens,commodities strengthen.

If commodities were priced in Euros, the same relationship would track for Euros.

However, I don't believe it is possible for neutral factors over a long time span, and changing factors, whether financial , political, psychological or other, can cause both commodities and USD to go the same direction or flip to an opposite relationship than normal. IMO

Jim
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I do not want a super nation. Sure it sounds nice and peaceful, who doesn't want that. Unfortunately man has flaws and human nature will eventually take over with power grabs and struggles. I want a STRONG America. Ultimately I feel the dollar is on the way side and may not recover. If this happens gold and silver will surely sky rocket. Too what extent I dont know, thats the reasoning for my post.
We desperately need some sort of monetary reform, whatever that may be. One thing is certain, Fractional Banking is seriously flawed.
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