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 Posted 06/17/2011  6:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add santafeboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a 1931 Canadian 50 cent graded VG-10 by International Coin Certification Service. What is the general consensus on this company? Good? Poor?
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 Posted 06/18/2011  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For a coin such as yours,excellent.
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 Posted 06/18/2011  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I'm shocked there hasn't been a flood of negativity. LOL

ICCS has been well regarded. People feel that the security of the packaging is under pressure from counterfeiters. But, for items such as you mention, I think the grading is probably bang on.

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 Posted 06/18/2011  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not much point arguing it, ICCS is still the standard in Canadian TPG's.

Whether we like that fact is an entirely different matter altogether.
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 Posted 06/19/2011  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snaz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the only slight reason I'm fond is because of their grading. They are extremely strict, occasionally loosen up for one or two coins, but I feel they are too strict and their holders are the worst I can imagine. They don't have a website, or an online presence at all. I prefer PCGS. Though when I sell, ICCS brings better money.
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 Posted 06/20/2011  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With ICCS...you have no guarantee you're getting a "problem free" coin. In other words, I've purchased a few ICCS coins that have been cleaned, scratched, etc...and none of it recorded.

None of these coins would cross-over with PCGS...

What good is "strict" grading, if you're getting a cleaned or damaged coin ? At least with PCGS, you know you're getting a problem free coin.

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 Posted 06/20/2011  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yoda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"With ICCS...you have no guarantee you're getting a "problem free" coin. In other words, I've purchased a few ICCS coins that have been cleaned, scratched, etc...and none of it recorded.

None of these coins would cross-over with PCGS...

What good is "strict" grading, if you're getting a cleaned or damaged coin ? At least with PCGS, you know you're getting a problem free coin."

I have definitely experienced this in the past. One example that springs to mind is a high grade (like MS 65 or 66 if I recall correctly) 5ยข 1915, which I bought in an ICCS holder. I sent it over to PCGS a few years later so that I could add it to their set registry. It turned out that the coin had been cleaned, and retoned. The cleaning was not evident to me through the 2 layers of ICCS plastic. The coin had excellent eye appeal...but it had been cleaned, therefore PCGS would not grade it. When it was out of the ICCS holder, the evidence of cleaning was there, but was subtle. Needless to say, that was a harsh lesson.
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 Posted 06/21/2011  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Colhand1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have found that if your intent is to sell coins to someone from the USA that the coin really needs to be graded by PCGS. If your you plan to sell to a Canadian - they prefer their own grading companies and ICCS is the one that has been around the longest. I would get my coins graded by ICCS only because they are Canadian coins and will one day more than likely, end up in Canada where they will be appreciated more than in the USA.
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 Posted 06/26/2011  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamarin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've dealt with ICCS for a long time. I like their tough grading and unlike many I like their folders. Looking at PCGS, speaking especially for NFLD issues, the firm is scary. Stick to Canadian certification companies for Canadian coins.
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 Posted 06/26/2011  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kitkat1858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with tamarin. ICCS is alot more strict when it comes to grading Maritime coins than PCGS. Sometimes a PCGS XF-40 will be an ICCS F-15... talk about grade inflation!

I also enjoy ICCS's flipbook style holder. When I purchase slabbed coins from PCGS, I never know how to organize them.
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 Posted 06/27/2011  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdcoinman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also had a bunch of large cents graded PCGS that I wanted crossgraded by our Canadian TGS.To my surprise,only 10% graded the same while all others were down graded by our standards.When I bid on PCGS certified 1 cents,I now downgrade 1 grade to set my price.
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